Breguet's Crashfile Challenge #364

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Crashfile Challenge #364

I have found a crash which is suitable for the crash experts I think. Beware only the exact and complete designation will do a full point. An extra point will go to the contestant who can name the unfortunate pilot, here looking for his belongings in the cockpit

Have a go at this one

Cheers

Kees




Previous Breguet's Crash Files

THE RULES

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner!
Offenders will be dealt with severely!
3. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
4. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
5. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
6. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.[/QUOTE

[Froggy]

Hello Kees

Your photo is wonderful

Thanks

Cordialement
Bruno

[Rbailey]

Looks a lot like a Standard E4 airmail derivative - JR1B? -if that ever flew with US military insignia.

[Varese2002]

The reaction to this picture is decidedly low, normally the Crash-ID Challenge seems to be a very busy happening. There is only a tentative entry by RBailey, which according to the rules cannot count as an identification.

Please shoot in your answers.

To make matters more easy () here is another shot from the same event as dug up by Miroslav Pokorny.



Cheers

Kees

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

The reaction to this picture is decidedly low, normally the Crash-ID Challenge seems to be a very busy happening. There is only a tentative entry by RBailey, which according to the rules cannot count as an identification.

It could be an S-6! As clearly this appears to be a two seater.

Please shoot in your answers.

To make matters more easy () here is another shot from the same event as dug up by Miroslav Pokorny.



Cheers

Kees

Greetings Kees,

I wrote the following 24 hours ago or more:

"Greetings Kees,

It's good to see you hanging out at the BCFC, it's been awhile.
I am not finding an exact match yet, but the horizontal stabilizer and elevators look like they are from a Thomas-Morse S-4C. There are some differences between the S-4B and the S-4C"

I stopped because your machine has four ailerons, compared with two on the Thomas-Morse S-4C & B information that I could find. The center section cut-out looks like an S.E.5a. I could not find anything on RBailey's "Standard E4". This looks more like a Thomas-Morse S-4B/C than a Standard E1 (which I could find information on). I just figured that you have stumped me with a legitimate American looking flying machine of the correct period. Unless those cockades are one of the several different ones used by Russia!

This could be the Thomas-Morse S-6 as it appears to be a two seater.

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR, FOKKERJ

Perhaps a point should be awarded to the host when they have an identifiable machine that is not properly guessed (that would probably be a sticky mess more than not!). Bad idea!

[Froggy]

Bonjour à tous

Thanks to your clue Kees with Miroslav Pokorny, by reading hundreds of threads
I finally find this one

JR-1B mail airplane designed by the Standard Aircraft Corporation

JR-1B mail airplane designed by the Standard Aircraft Corporation on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

http://science.uniserve.edu.au/schoo...cs/Image45.jpg

Sorry but i don't follow the Breguet'sr rule
. "To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
I did'n know that beautiful plane before and it's only wit the photo I join
that I was able to identify it"

so no point for me this time

May be the pilot was edward Killgore ?
http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/41...600x600Q85.jpg

Cordialement
Bruno

[Froggy]

Rrectification the pilot was Robert Shank

Airmail pilot Robert Shank after crash on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

You can see the commentary of Kees about the mis-caption of the photo

Bruno

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

Breguet's Crashfile Challenge #364

I have found a crash which is suitable for the crash experts I think. Beware only the exact and complete designation will do a full point. An extra point will go to the contestant who can name the unfortunate pilot, here looking for his belongings in the cockpit

Greetings Bruno,

It looks like you have earned at least"one full point":

"Description: Robert Shank was hired in 1918, the first year of airmail service, as a Post Office Department airmail pilot. He was assigned to the Belmont Park, New York, airfield. He was one the first four pilots hired to fly the mail that year. As good as these pilots were, crashes were sometimes unavoidable. Shrank survived this crash of his Curtiss-Jenny JN-4H aircraft, which landed nose down into a woody area. Shank is pictured standing on the airplane, peering into the cockpit."

Good work!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR, FOKKERJ

[Miroslav Pokorny]

Just couple of pics to those collected by Froggy.
LIFE: Six JR 1B mail service planes, exclusive... - Hosted by Google

Honestly curious about who was the pilot. Cheers MP

[Froggy]

Hello, Miroslav

Here is a biopgaphy of Robert Shank
Robert F. Shank

I am curious to know why these airmail planes had AEF markings on wings and tail? even though they were not in active service in France ?

Cordialement
Bruno