BREGUET's ID CHALLENGE Nr. 528

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Aquilius

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Does someone know "a big aeroplane factory that started to built aeroplanes" there at a time meeting our challenge?
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Let me specify the aeroplane factory a little further, it was a very large aeroplane factory on the day of the Armistice. It continued after that but surely smaller .......

By the way this machine was never painted in national colours

Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

An extra clue: this machine does not originate from Germany, France or Italy.

Although this was the very first built machine of this firm, a 1990 standard work - allegedly describing all models of the firm - gave no reference to this machine.

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

If it were British, Boulton Paul might fit, since they built a lot of aeroplanes in WW 1 but the first of their own design was late in the war - the P 3. I don't know of any reference to a P 1, so I can throw that in - maybe it will at least generate another hint.

[Dave_Kent]

The book PARNALL AIRCRAFT SINCE 1914 was published in 1990. Parnall & Sons was a wood-working firm and a major manufacturer. The Parnall Scout, a previous Challenge, seems to be the machine generally reported as their first design. Perhaps it wasn’t.

There is a subsequent book, PARNALL’S AIRCRAFT, 1998. Perhaps this machine can be found there. I have neither of these.

Dave

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

If it were British, Boulton Paul might fit, since they built a lot of aeroplanes in WW 1 but the first of their own design was late in the war - the P 3. I don't know of any reference to a P 1, so I can throw that in - maybe it will at least generate another hint.

Another hint, no Parnall, no Boulton Paul and the machine is not even British ....

Cheers

Kees

[FOKKERJ]

It appears to be American, check out the clothing style and caps.
Martin comes to mind without any research. Douglas was my first thought.
I don't know much about any aeroplanes built before or after the Great War, let a lone any minor efforts.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

Gotta go! I have to find a foto of a "Winged Wreck"!

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

It appears to be American, check out the clothing style and caps.
Martin comes to mind without any research. Douglas was my first thought.
I don't know much about any aeroplanes built before or after the Great War, let a lone any minor efforts.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

Gotta go! I have to find a foto of a "Winged Wreck"!

I have cut the fashion part out of the original size scan, sure this seems to be US fashion in 1917



Cheers

Kees

[richard B]

I searched those 3 last days all I have about U.S planes of this period .
Could it be an Thomas-Morse ?

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

I searched those 3 last days all I have about U.S planes of this period .
Could it be an Thomas-Morse ?

No Thomas-Morse here, sorry Is this was the first plane ever built by that firm, there might be all sorts of influences. The picture seems to be a festive shot of the roll out of this machine.

Cheers

Kees

[Doc]

I agree it's probably American. It's beating me.... But I bet Loening had something to do with it. The nose, radiator, and wing structure (with that unequal span and diagonal strut) are very similar to stuff he did for both Sturtevant and L.W.F. The nose shape and radiator positions are very similar to the Martin "S" (yes, I know it was a seaplane, and the fuselage was above the wing rather than on it)-- and Loening was involved in modifications on various Martin models when he worked for the Army. The wings look a lot like Burgess TT or S. But I can't find any specific aircraft which matches all this.

FokkerJ recommended Douglas, but I doubt it-- they were formed in 1921.

A good challenge.