BREGUET's ID CHALLENGE Nr. 528

richard B · 29 January 2009, 05:46 AM

For me the point is :first plane of a compagny which built many planes during the War ,an not so many after : Packard ???

Dave_Kent · 29 January 2009, 06:03 AM

There was also a book published in 1990 on the Naval Aircraft Factory, WINGS FOR THE NAVY, A HISTORY OF THE NAVAL AIRCRAFT FACTORY 1917 – 1956.

If this is an NAF machine, I can offer no designation.

Dave

Varese2002 · 29 January 2009, 06:33 AM

An exciting Challenge, but do remember that the firm who built this plane was incorporated in 1917

In 1917 the USA entered the Great War.

Cheers

Kees

Aquilius · 29 January 2009, 06:36 AM

Checking my notes I only found two matches.

It could be an early Vought.
The "Lewis & Vougth corp." was founded in 1917 and I don't know if this has been "a big aeroplane factory" at the end of the war?
Also the first model I have is the VE-7 Bluebird.

But my call now is the Ordnance Orenco A Trainer of 1917.

This was powered by a 105 hp Duesenberg 4-cylinder inline engine, as quoted by "Aerofiles".
(could also be the 150 hp one - I only have 140 & 150 inlines and a 300 hp V-8 listed)
Don't know if two people could find a seat next to each other here,
but "Ordnance Engineering Co." was founded in 1914 - and taken over by Baldwin Aircraft in 1922.

Cheers

Aquilius

Varese2002 · 29 January 2009, 06:45 AM

No Vought or Ordnance here, sorry. Although as said the firm was incorporated in 1917, at the peak of its operations the firm built eight (8 !) planes a day and employed 8000 people at three plants. It is quite amazing that a firm of this magnitude his such a low 'presence' in aviation history.

Again, this machine is their first and is almost never mentioned, safe at least one time ..........

Cheers

Kees

Doc · 29 January 2009, 07:03 AM

Boeing EA (Model 4)? Not the first Boeing, but the first landplane they built for the military.

Dave_Kent · 29 January 2009, 07:14 AM

OK, from Aerofiles, Dayton-Wright FS 1

“1917: Incorporation as Dayton-Wright Airplane Co,”

“FS-1, -2

1917 = 2pOB; 100hp Hall-Scott A-7; v: 68/x/38. Dubbed "First Shot" as a new venture in training civilian flight students. POP: 1 each. FS-2 apparently was a near-twin of FS-1, sold in 1918 and refitted with 220hp geared Hisso.”

Varese2002 · 29 January 2009, 07:18 AM

No Boeing sorry. To be more specific about the firm, it was one of the biggest firms at the end of the Great War but already in 1923 was closed down, a part of it taken over by another US firm.

I present the big scan of the plane

Cheers

Kees

richard B · 29 January 2009, 07:29 AM

Dayton Wright Bull Head :the same struts at the wings end ,the same motorressembling a Bull head !(aerofiles)

And the same radiators too

Aquilius · 29 January 2009, 08:38 AM

You are probably right, Richard.
The aircraft might be a Dayton-Wright.

But then not the Hisso engined "Bull Head"
- I'd say 1917 trainer biplane with Hall-Scott...

I though we were circling around the McCook Airfield.
Checking Wittemann-Lewis I found they were newly formed as "Wittemann-Lewis Co. Inc." in 1917 and ende pruduction in 1923 - aquired by Atlantic...

Same with Dayton-Wright - (Dayton-Wright Aircraft Co. Inc. formed in 1917 - sold to Consolidated and others in 1923)

This might have been "the years of change" at the McCook Airfield.

And I believe the prominent person standing infront of the prop the could be
Charles Franklin Kettering who should design new aircrafts in the adwise of Edward A. Deeds in 1917 after the USA joined the war.
(I though I heve seen this profile before...)

Cheers

Aquilius