BREGUET's ID CHALLENGE Nr. 528

[Dave_Kent]

The photo of the D-W Bull Head on Aerofiles shows a ‘2’ on the tail-plane. I wonder if the Bull Head and the FS 2 are the same machine, which have acquired different names?

Dave

[Rbailey]

Everything seems to fit a re-engined bull head (or pre-engined, this is more likely its predecessor), including the odd curvature to the undercarriage struts. I suspect bullhead was a nickname rather than a company dsesignation.

Could this be the Dayton Wright FS (First Shot?) which is mentioned as their first plane on an obscure site?

From Aerofiles:
"FS-1, -2 1917 = 2pOB; 100hp Hall-Scott A-7; v: 68/x/38. Dubbed "First Shot" as a new venture in training civilian flight students. POP: 1 each. FS-2 apparently was a near-twin of FS-1, sold in 1918 and refitted with 220hp geared Hisso."

That would make it FS-1 and explains the 2 on the bull head.

[Varese2002]

This Challenge is closed. As it is already very late (23:37) I will continue tomorrow with the answer and the results / points.

Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

A little known machine indeed, mostly lying in the dust of history. As I mentioned already an authoritative work like this Putnam one, does not mention it.

Wegg, John. 1990. General Dynamics aircraft and their predecessors. Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press.

This machine is the Dayton-Wright FS-1, where FS stood for First Shot. All information that is available on this machine (which is not that much) is described in the only article I have ever seen about this plane appearing in the Journal of AAHS.

Robert Casari. The Dayton Wright "First Shot". Journal of the American Aviation Historical Society. Vol. 19 (1974) No.4 (Winter) p. 286

The FS-1, a trainer, was rolled out of the factory in late spring 1917 at South Field only eight weeka after the design was initiated. Engine was - probably - a Hall Scott 4-cylinder engine of about 100 hp. Radiators were at the side of the fuselage. Cockpits were tandem.

The machine was used in the training school at North Field in the instruction of students of the Wright Field Company. The further career o the machine is unknown, may be sold off.

As there was a large part of guessing about this plane, it is reasonable to divide the point over several players, where this is the most honest division:

Aquilius (post 10) 0.20 - First time reasoning that the machine may be US

FokkerJ (post 16) 0.20 - Statement that the machine is US on basis of the 'fashion' of the man standing in front of the machine

Dave Kent (post 27) 0.30 - First guess for the Dayton-Wright FS-1

RBailey (post 32) 0.30 - Another statement for the Dayton-Wright FS-1 after an excursion to a Dayton-Wright "Bull Head" based on the somewhat dubious looking information in Aerofiles

The next Challenge goes to FokkerJ with the reason that this will haul him out of all those wrecks in the real world of machines actually flying, or trying to fly

Concluding, I consider it high time that Robert Casari finishes his magnum opus on US military aviation till 1919, as it will sure fill gaps in the common knowledge and will give a complete overview of this part of aviation history.

Cheers

Kees

The scoreboard at the end of #528 is:

97.00 Varese2002 ☼
68.70 Dave_Kent ☼
57.20 Rbailey ☼
31.30 Cruze ☼
17.50 YavorD
17.15 Froggy
15.50 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
12.60 Flamingo
11.90 richard B
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L........................ 12hours waiting

04.70 dpolglaze.................... No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 AROTH
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Lodzermensch
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[FOKKERJ]

Greetings Kees,

Thanks for the generous addition to my score and the honor of the next host.
I have been busy, but think that I have a fotograf appropriate for the next challenge. I will hunt for it and attempt to remove any information that would make it too easy.

I'll be back, FOKKERJ

P.S. One of my Grandfathers use to wear a "Pie" cap like the gentlemen on the right side of the foto.