BREGUET's ID CHALLENGE Nr. 528

[Varese2002]

BREGUET's ID CHALLENGE Nr. 528

It always amazes me what an endless variety of machines was built during the period 1914 - 1918. This is one of the rarer species I think, but we will see what the experts can make of this one.

Cheers

Kees



The scoreboard at the start of #528 is:

97.00 Varese2002 ☼
68.40 Dave_Kent ☼
56.90 Rbailey ☼
31.30 Cruze ☼
17.50 YavorD
17.15 Froggy
15.30 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
12.60 Flamingo
11.90 richard B
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L........................ 12hours waiting

04.70 dpolglaze.................... No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 AROTH
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Lodzermensch
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Previous Breguet's ID Challenges can be found here:

Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

[AROTH]

Well, since I am certainly no expert, that leaves me out.....


I see a little Voison, Caudron, Aviatik, LVG, and few other things thrown in for good luck


Oh, the indecision!

[Catfish]

Hello,
i am no expert, but i'm sure to have seen this plane before, i just cannot connect a name to it. This rectangular (like a pyramid), and relatively short nose, along with the 45-degree outer struts ... the black vertical "thing" at the right seems to be the radiator (?), and it seems to be camouflaged.
Greetings,
Catfish

[AROTH]

Hello ? Wake up experts, we need some help here.....

[Varese2002]

A small hint.............. Every big aeroplane factory started once designing and building an aeroplane

Cheers

Kees

[Catfish]

Hello,
well, fom those 45-degree struts it could be a Boeing Nr. 1 from 1915, also called B&W from William Boeing and Navy Lt. Conrad Westervelt. But the B.1 was a w aterplane, and its nose is longer.

But wait - big companies - an early Airbus !

Greetings,
Catfish

[Brad]

Hmmmm... The wing bracing arrangement looks very "Macchi-like" to me. This is an interesting one.

[Dave_Kent]

Hi:

I believe that the machine is German, or perhaps A-H.

It reminds me a bit of the Gotha LD3 & LD4 machines, though not either.

Dave

[AROTH]

I agree with Brad, either Macchi-like or French because of the wing design. However, the fuselage looks A-H or German in styling as stated by Dave.

Still lost...

[Aquilius]

Since everyone is guessing around here, I will also offer my thoughts about this design.


This machine is not german!

first - upright centre struts are (nearly) nowhere to find here!
second - the setting!

Where or when should this picture have been taken then?
Before the war? - surely not.
(during the war I wouldn't expect to meet that many civilians at a factory roll-out and after the war constructing of new aircraft was prohibited, as well in Austria)


I would date this one in 1917 or rather later in a non-warring country.
The inline engine creates a german appearence but the clumsy front (with side-radiators?) does not make it look german at all.
But it migh be an influced design with a licence built or copied engine like some others in the far east (that also used Hall-Scott 6-cylinder inlines).

Does someone know "a big aeroplane factory that started to built aeroplanes" there at a time meeting our challenge?

(the ground looks pretty sandy and the airfield might have been newly prepared with gras seeds)


Another thing one can search for could be a country with a 3-colored flag.
Both wingtips are colored, most likely in national colors.
But I haven't found a possible candidat yet.

Cheers

Aquilius