Breguet's Aircraft Challenge Nr. 529

FOKKERJ · 31 January 2009, 09:03 AM

Welcome to the 529th B.A.C.

Hopefully I remember how to do this and haven't screwed this one up already.

I submit the following for your entertainment and educational purposes only:

Remember, "•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification."

The scoreboard is:

97.00 Varese2002 ☼
68.70 Dave_Kent ☼
57.20 Rbailey ☼
31.30 Cruze ☼
17.50 YavorD
17.15 Froggy
15.50 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
12.60 Flamingo
11.90 richard B
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L........................ 12hours waiting

04.70 dpolglaze.................... No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 AROTH
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Lodzermensch
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Breguet's ID Challenges can be found here:

Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --[/QUOTE]

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Have Fun! FOKKERJ

P.S. Hopefully this machine hasn't been used in this challenge before and I hope that this one proves some fun for all of you.

FOKKERJ · 31 January 2009, 09:40 AM

No responce yet!

Must be time for a hint!

It's German!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

YavorD · 31 January 2009, 09:57 AM

Nice wingless fighter in the background!

FOKKERJ · 31 January 2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YavorD

Nice wingless fighter in the background!

Hello Yavor,

Thanks for noticing!
I couldn't crop this foto any further and can't find this image on my desk-top after a serious purge of my hard-drive after what was thought to be one of the silliest viruses experienced to date. With that I don't have the skills to airbrush out any unwanted details.

Best Wishes, FOKKERJ

Lodzermensch · 31 January 2009, 11:05 AM

Hello,

Perhaps it is the only prototype of L.F.G. Roland C.VIII - the shape of front part of fuselage, interplane struts and many other features are similar to Roland C.III and C.V except the center part of fuselage housing the cockpit.

To be honest, I have never seen the photograph of this airplane. But this picture suits to description I know.

Greetings

Marek

richard B · 31 January 2009, 11:45 PM

Thank you FokkerJfor the picture :I knew only the Grey&Thetford one, and congratulation Lodzermensch ,it's the sole prototype of the LFG Roland C VIII:
Camouflage patern for LFG ,two bays and humped rear fuselage for C VIII

FOKKERJ · 1 February 2009, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lodzermensch

Hello,

Perhaps it is the only prototype of L.F.G. Roland C.VIII - the shape of front part of fuselage, interplane struts and many other features are similar to Roland C.III and C.V except the center part of fuselage housing the cockpit.

To be honest, I have never seen the photograph of this airplane. But this picture suits to description I know.

Greetings

Marek

Greetings Marek,

Either you are right and I am wrong or.....

My foto is identified as a L.F.G. Roland C.IX (it actually has C-9!). I was hoping for more input after the "12 Hour" waiting period. I was going to see if anything came up after 24 hours had passed from the start of this thread, but after reading Richard's congradulatory note. I did a quick google search and have to agree that it probably is a C.VIII and not a C.IX, although it is possible that there was a C.IX prototype....I don't know. I have several fotografs of prototypes by different well known aircraft factories that I previously didn't even know these prototypes existed. Usually the only information I can find about most of them is what ever is hand written on the back of the foto.

I have learned not to trust everything that is written, even by people that were there!

I really don't like asuming an identification and calling it a done deal with out being possitive about the ID. Kind of like a Breguet vs a Breguet-Michelin or a Morane Saulnier P, AI, LA, etc.

If anyone has any information on the L.F.G. Roland C.IX, Please bring it now.

I will award points after a little while if we are in agreement on this ID.

Either way, I figure I have a rare foto (on the back it says: "Extremely rare L.F.G. Roland biplane type C-9! (1917) Mercedes 180 h.p. Taken at the Johannisthal Aerodrome! (This is the shot you have been asking about)."

Bottom line it is either the very rare C.VIII or an "Extremely Rare" C.IX!

Even worse than posting fotografs that one is not sure about is not posting them at all (not sharing)!

Do think about what you will submit for the next challenge, because you will have a full point or the "Lion's Share".

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

FOKKERJ · 1 February 2009, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard B

Thank you FokkerJfor the picture :I knew only the Grey&Thetford one, and congratulation Lodzermensch ,it's the sole prototype of the LFG Roland C VIII:
Camouflage patern for LFG ,two bays and humped rear fuselage for C VIII

You are very welcome Richard.
Is the Grey & Thetford image the same as this one?
The raised rear gunner's cockpit seems to be a popular progression in 1918.

Cheers, FOKKERJ

YavorD · 1 February 2009, 02:02 AM

Image shown on page 447 in Gray & Thetford is from 9-o'clock position but, in my opinion, it is the same aircraft.
I have no information concerning L.F.G. Roland C.IX prototype.
Regards,
Yavor

richard B · 1 February 2009, 02:08 AM

Hello

Here the Grey&Thetford page ,but the book is old ,and there is no entry for C IV ; C VI ; C VII ; C IX .
Your pic is really a must .thanks