Breguet's Chrash File Challenge #387

[Aquilius]

Welcome to another round of Breguet's Chrash File Challenge!


To offer you something to look up, I found this lovely wreck.

Who can tell me what it was?


There is not much left, but I believe in you!


The scoreboard is:

46.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
36.00 Froggy ¤
32.70 Flamingo ¤
30.10 Rbailey ¤
23.40 Breguet
22.15 Richard B
18.15 YavorD
13.25 Aquilius
12.00 Varese2002
09.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.............................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Edmond .............................May start immediately!
04.00 Eric
04.00 Patrick
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
02.80 gregorydquist
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.75 Lodzermensch
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

the wrecks already dealt with are to find here

THE RULES

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3.All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
5. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet

Have a good hunt

Aquilius

[gregorydquist]

Fokker DVII

Fuselage shape and survival and apparent ends of longerons, suggest metal framework. (But then why is tail broken off? and what happened to the engine?)
Personal Markings location consistent with German style (I just know I've seen that S somewhere..)

Top wing airfoil seems very thick and remains(?) of bottom wing suggest that it is slightly smaller in all dimensions.

Then again I look and see a Nieuport or a Sopwith machine. Pretty much a stab in the dark just to get this out of my sytem so I can go do yardwork.
Greg

[Kilian]

I would agree with a Fok D.VII because of the wheels. Can't remember the S either. Bystanders look non-german.

[FOKKERJ]

Gregory and Kilian are probably right! Two against one!

My vote is the D.F.W. C.I.......Fuselage shape and "Banana" shaped upper wing.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

Oh ya, and the "S" for "ÜBER BANANA"!

[Catfish]

Hello,
i have no idea WHAT it is, but it seems it fell from a steamer, or rammed its hull broadside
Greetings,
Catfish

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
i have no idea WHAT it is, but it seems it fell from a steamer, or rammed its hull broadside
Greetings,
Catfish

Ya, but what steamer....
You'll never add to your score unless you properly ID it!

[Catfish]

Hello,
Hmmm ... Short Admiralty ?
Then i would be even able to identify the steamer Well, probably not ...
Greetings,
Catfish

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

I just know I've seen that S somewhere..

Grego, maybe you mean this




This is D.F.W. C V. Unfortunately, the shape of the letter S is not the same.


I bet on Fokker Dr.I - seems to me that the plane had rotary engine. Besides, the side of the fuselage is painted in a flat, dark color; the bottom of the fuselage is in bright color.

Cheers

Marek

[gregorydquist]

Marek wrote:

This is D.F.W. C V. Unfortunately, the shape of the letter S is not the same.

I bet on Fokker Dr.I - seems to me that the plane had rotary engine. Besides, the side of the fuselage is painted in a flat, dark color; the bottom of the fuselage is in bright color.

That could very well be the photo. It seems like I'vs seen it one time or another, escept the quality of yours is better than I remember. Thanks for sharing. And both of the "S"'s appear to be free form, although I agree completely that they are not the same, but strikingly similar.

I too wonderd if it is a DrI, because it seemed a rotary engine fit the "profile". But I thought there would be evidence of more wings, but sometimes I only see one wing in the photo. So if you can lose one wing, why not two?

Good point about the coloration. While it supoorts the DrI case does that preclude it being a DVII?


And FOKKER J, even though the outcome is still pending, remember: Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right

[Aquilius]

Many answers till now, but not the right one.

It looks like the advantage is on the german side.
Not the types mentioned up to now, but what comes from my german fellows.

Originally Posted by Kilian

Bystanders look non-german.

Originally Posted by Catfish

it seems it fell from a steamer, or rammed its hull

Not that much, but to sum up:

The aircraft was not german.
It was powered by a rotary but there are no bananas in near by.

And I haven't retouched anything on the pic.


Cheers

Aquilius