BREGUET's CRASH FILE CHALLENGE Nr.404

FOKKERJ · 28 March 2009, 02:02 AM

Wilkommen to the B.C.F.C. Nr.404.

TIME WILL START WHEN I POST THE FOTO....
My computer is acting badly!

Scoreboard after crash file # 403 – Albatros B.II

49.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
36.20 Froggy ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
34.70 Flamingo ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
23.40 Breguet
22.15 Richard B
19.15 YavorD
14.25 Aquilius
12.00 Varese2002
10.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.75 Lodzermensch
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd..........................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Edmond.............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Sobrien
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

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HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

FOKKERJ · 28 March 2009, 02:40 AM

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HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

Flamingo · 28 March 2009, 05:40 AM

The shape of the wings and the ailerons say it is a Lohner T flying boat (with L serials).
I think I have seen this picture fairly recently but cannot remember where. I think it had a German number on the hull.

YavorD · 28 March 2009, 05:41 AM

Lohner Schulboot Type P (k.u.k. Seeflugzeug Type R, R 28 to 30)
Distinctive Pfeil-wing and eileron shape. The nose of the boat can is hidden. There is a rotary engine as much as I can see.
It can be R 28 w/o 17 September 1915.
Regards,
Yavor

Lodzermensch · 28 March 2009, 10:29 AM

Hello,

I think it may be Lohner type M – shape of upper wing is typical for Lohner design. I can’t recognize the engine, but I think there are a streamlined engine nacelle and a spinner. Light shade of hull and lack of red/white/red bands under the upper wing may indicate the plane used by Germans.

Greetings

Marek

Varese2002 · 28 March 2009, 10:32 AM

Famous picture of the only Lohner flying boat Marinenummer 116, given as a Lohner Type T, built by Lohner under contract AE 282. I have not reserached this out, but 116 was already a replacement for another example of this Lohner that crashed. So the Germans were not very 'lucky' with their flying boats.

Picture is probably one in a series as another picture of this incidence gives the boats nearing at left closer.

Cheers

Kees

Lodzermensch · 28 March 2009, 01:01 PM

Hello,

I have just found the same picture, but the machine sports Merinenummer 484 and German iron crosses of course.

Cheers

Marek

Varese2002 · 28 March 2009, 01:41 PM

Marek, you are right.

This is Marine number 484 - a Lohner T with an 150 hp Benz engine - Ordernumber [Auftragnummer] AE.620 delivered as a replacement for the earlier delivered Model T which got the Marine number 161.

As I already said , the German Marine had not much luck with the Lohner flying boats - the first delivered one (161) on April 17, 1915 was already completely destroyed on May 21, 1915. The replacement machine (484) was delivered to the German Marine on July 15, 1915.

Looking at the picture of this challenge 484 made a minor mishap at landing which could be repaired. The background city is quite distinct and as the Lohners were shipped to Warnemünde it could be that town. Is there anybody who can verify this?

Source: Reinhard Keimel - Fluhzeuge der Österreichischen Firma Lohner 1909 - 1923.

Cheers

Kees

Aquilius · 28 March 2009, 04:47 PM

Surprisingly by my first look on that picture I thought it must be somewhere on the Donau-channels in Vienna.

On the other hand the fishing smack in the background would be more likely placed closer to the sea.

Only I can't remember this scenery in the area of Warnemünde and Google Maps didn't show something matching to me. I spent a few years over there at Rostock, Greifswald & Stralsund, but time might have changed things.

Will ask some friends if they know better.

Cheers

Aquilius

FOKKERJ · 28 March 2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilius

Surprisingly by my first look on that picture I thought it must be somewhere on the Donau-channels in Vienna.

On the other hand the fishing smack in the background would be more likely placed closer to the sea.

Only I can't remember this scenery in the area of Warnemünde and Google Maps didn't show something matching to me. I spent a few years over there at Rostock, Greifswald & Stralsund, but time might have changed things.

Will ask some friends if they know better.

Cheers

Aquilius

Greetings Aquilius,

This is all I have on this:

"German WW1 Water-Airplane Kriegsmarine 1914-18
backside : lost Water-Airplane secure somewere russia Latvia (winton, wintou?)."

This is the unaltered version:

I tried unsuccessfully to enlarge this image.

I hope that this little information jogs a memory or two.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ