Breguet's crash file aircraft ID #431

[richard B]

Bonjour/bonsoir à tous .

Here is the #431 .

Exact ID ,please .
Good Luck
Richard







The scoreboard after # 430 – AEG G.IV of Bosta 21 Bogohl 4, 1917 – is:

49.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
41.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
38.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
26.15 RichardB
23.90 Breguet
21.15 YavorD
16.75 Lodzermensch
14.25 Aquilius
12.50 Varese2002
12.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd..........................Have to wait three hours!
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04.00 Edmond.............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
03.00 Rufe
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Sobrien
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc



THE RULES

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
5. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

[Rufe]

With that large tail surface, it has to be one of the Il'ya Muromets.
I will guess a Type B, because that type had the skids (or sled) for
the tail strut.

[Rufe]

Taking another look, it appears to be radial engined powered also, the Il'ya Muromets S22 Type B also had a version with Salmson radials.

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

I think this is the Vickers Vimy’s second prototype called Vickers FB 27A– s/n B9953. A shape of the fuselage and arrangement of its rear part indicate Vimy design. Unbalanced ailerons and elevators are characteristic for this particular plane. Upper elevator and doubled rudder were probably ripped off. The airplane crashed on 25th May, 1918 at Martlesham.

Greetings

Marek

[Rbailey]

It is an "IM", airframe # 137, 30April 1915, according to Maslov. That would make it Series B I believe.

[richard B]

Congratulations ,RUFE ,it's a Il'ya Mourometz type B ,probable Nr between 136 and 139 .
One can see the Salmson ,as you told in your second post .

Now ,to you the #432 .


The scoreboard after # 431 :Il'ya Mourometz type B is:

49.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
41.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
38.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
26.15 RichardB
23.90 Breguet
21.15 YavorD
16.75 Lodzermensch
14.25 Aquilius
12.50 Varese2002
12.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd..........................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Rufe.............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Sobrien
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc