Breguet's aircraft I.D challenge # 593

[richard B]

Thank you a lot

[Aquilius]

Since Dave mentioned the Nielsen & Winther, I don't think it's the single-seater Type Aa. But how about the Nielsen & Winther Typ Ab?

This was a 2-seater reconnaisator prototype of 1917 with 90 hp Thulin rotary engine and I'm not convinced at all but it could have been constructed with more conventional Morane-outlines as it is seen here. Type Aa is presented on a few sites in the web but I have no pic of the Type Ab.
As it has no floats it is probably not the Type Ac.

If that's not enough for the ID features, I can only come back to it's Morane appearence and the connection with Thulin (Type M) and the facts mentioned above.

If you will tell again that's far from the clue I must ask if it makes sense to look further for a connection to Morane-Saulnier?


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

"Far from the clue" means you are all searching in the wrong lands .

Sorry

Cheers

Richard

[jellytwig]

The guy in the rear seat looks distinctly oriental. Anyone know about Siamese or Japanese a/c production in 1917?

Jellytwig.

[richard B]

1917 ,european,neutral nation
Cheers
Richard

[Rod_Filan]

A Morane-Saulnier influenced design built in a neutral country during WWI you say?

This has me looking for a photo of the Talleres Nacionales de Construcciones Aeronáuticas (TNCA) Serie D, F or G.

In 1915 the Talleres Nacionales de Construcciones Aeronauticas (TNCA) set about the development and production of aircraft from scratch. The TNCA Series A tandem two-seater bi-plane trainer, powered by the Mexican developed Azatl air-cooled six cylinder radial engine, entered production 1916. Further aircraft followed, including the TNCA Series B trainer, the Series C lightweight single-seater fighter, the Series D, F and G, derived from Bleriot and Morane-Saulnier designs.

For purposed of this exercise I'll go out on a limb and say TNCA Serie G.

Identifying features: It screams TNCA.

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Cheers
Rod

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by richard B

1917 ,european,neutral nation
Cheers
Richard

European?! Doh!



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[Aquilius]

Are we back to the plains of Spain, where the web does not offer much of the elusive aircraft designes?


I found this note:

1917. Nuevos aeroplanos españoles. El piloto y constructor D. José del Perojo finalizó la fabricación de un pequeño biplano propulsado por un motor Le Rhone de 90 CV.

Do we have here the small "Perojo Biplano del Entrenamiento" with 90 hp LeRhône engine?
I have not yet listed a spnish rotary powered biplane of 1917 - so it might be a good candidate. But as it is stated José was the finnazier of it, it might have got another designation if it was built in one of the aircraft factories in the coutry.


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

Congratulations ,AQUILIUS ,you get it ,just with ein bisschen Hilfe

It's the spanish PEROJO built in 1917 (Madrid)

span : 8,2m ,length : 6,5m max speed 140 km/h

Now ,I am going to prepare my luggages for the next 3 months

Cheers

Richard





THE Scoreboard at the end of #593 –PEROJO,Spain 1917 .

108.80 Varese2002 ☼
76.70 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.15 Froggy
17.50 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Aquilius]

Thanks a lot !

I got my first score without a picture, but I never thought it would happen again.

Does anyone know where it was built in Madrid or can add something of Perojo himself? I didn't found anything in the web, nor something that mentioned he was flying Moranes, what might have been not that unlikely.


Cheers

Aquilius