Breguet's aircraft I.D challenge # 593

[richard B]

Bonjour à tous

Voici le No 593

Good Luck

Richard




THE RULES

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
6. (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
7. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
8. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
9. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
10. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
11. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
12. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

THE Scoreboard at the end of #592 – Анатра Анаде (Anatra Anade) with an early type of cowling is:

108.80 Varese2002 ☼
76.70 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.15 Froggy
16.50 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Rbailey]

Could this be a Gotha LD 5? Rudder, wing cut-out and undercarriage are consistent.

[Aquilius]

Richard, you found a real stumper here.

Usually I would say: upright centre struts - can not be german!

But Halberstadt used them with their B.I. Only the undercarriage was different as well with Gotha, which was already part of #54.
It looks like a Morane converted to a biplane with an early style landing gear that misses the "Morane - M" - so not a Morane-Saulnier, but maybe a design constructed by someone who licence built Morane planes.

A Thulin-job could be possible but there I found no match.
I don't think it's a Pfalz prototype, but how about a Grahame-White?
I have no idea what was Type XVI or XVII (which I will throw in now) - Type XIV was the licence built Morane-Saulnier G.


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

SORRY , YOU HAVE TO SEARCH MORE

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

I ask just to be sure. Isn’t it Halberstadt C.I? The shape of fuselage, rudder, rotary engine, the shape of two bay wings, center section struts and arrangement of common cockpit match this type; however I have some doubts about the shape of upper wing cut-out.

Greetings

Marek

[AROTH]

Strut bindings look French....but what do I know.

Going back to sleep to think about this one......

[Rbailey]

Not a bad likeness, but the rudder doesn't look quite right and the upper wing doesn't seem to have enough overhang, but that could be perspective. If it isn't that, I will offer a wild guess. Pfalz built Morane "copies" and this has a lot of resemblances, and there is reported to be a single Pfalz doppeldecker with a rotary engine at about the right time that I know nothing about.

[Dave_Kent]

Some aspects, especially landing gear, remind me of the Nielson & Winther Aa. This machine is clearly not rhe Aa, but perhaps another Nielson & Winther product?

[richard B]

SORRY ,you are far from the clue !It's a 1917 plane built in a neutral nation....

On Friday ,I'll be no more at home (Summer holidays),and be back only on the first days of ...september .

So ,you have to hurry .

If the challenge is not found on thursday ,I 'll send the clue to one of you (WHO accept to take the responsibility ???)

Thanks

Richard

[Breguet]

Originally Posted by richard B

If the challenge is not found on thursday ,I 'll send the clue to one of you (WHO accept to take the responsibility ???)

I guess that would be me.