Breguet's Crash File Challenge Nr.445

[FOKKERJ]

Wilkommen to Breguet's Crash File Challenge Nr.445.



Scoreboard after Challenge # 444 – B.E.2e , is :

51.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
43.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
38.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
27.15 RichardB
23.90 Breguet
22.15 YavorD
20.75 Lodzermensch
15.25 Aquilius
12.50 Varese2002
12.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd..........................Have to wait three hours!
04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Berman
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Sobrien
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Previous Breguet's Crash Files

The Rules
1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
5. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

I hope that this brings some pleasant diversion to your Sunday.
For your concideration I submit the following:



For one full point I would like the correct ID of this flying machine's remains.

GOOD HUNTING, FOKKERJ

[crankcase]

I'll go with a Thomas Morse scout (s-4c)...
...with the further guess that this is a training accident in the US.
marc

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by crankcase

I'll go with a Thomas Morse scout (s-4c)...
...with the further guess that this is a training accident in the US.
marc

Congratulations goes to Crankcase for correctly making the ID of this wreck at CARLSTROM's FIELD, somewhere in the USA, I presume. From the caption, the pilot did not survive this accident.

Watch out RUFE!

Scoreboard after Challenge # 445 THOMAS-MORSE S-4/S4c "SCOUT", is :

51.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤ 43.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
38.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
27.15 RichardB
23.90 Breguet
22.15 YavorD
20.75 Lodzermensch
15.25 Aquilius
12.50 Varese2002
12.25 AROTH
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd..........................Have to wait three hours!
04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.20 Crankcase
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Berman
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Sobrien
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Previous Breguet's Crash Files

The Rules
1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
5. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

I hope that this brings some pleasant diversion to your Sunday.
For your concideration I submit the following:



Game and Point to Crankcase! : )


I like to take this time to thank everyone that participated in this challenge!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. Thank You Crankcase for properly IDing this machine.... I thought that it was a Nieuport!!!

[AROTH]

Nieuport what...? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

[crankcase]

Originally Posted by AROTH

Nieuport what...? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

I AM SPEECHLESS...gulp!

Since I still don't have a facility for selecting and posting the next round, CAN I DO A FIENDISH THING AND PASS THE HONOR BACK TO "FOKKER J"?

My thinking is this: Fokker J at 51.50 points has a commanding lead. It must be tough at the top and I am sure he must be suffering from exhaustion, frayed nerves and general combat fatigue. Therefore I think the rest of you will agree with me that he deserves a well-earned rest from the "front" and should take a short leave during the next round (which, incidentally, will give the others a chance to reduce his lead!)

Pls confirm if you agree and let us proceed to the next sortie! Hals und Beinbruch!
marc
p.s. To avoid any conflict of interest, I will also sit out the next round.

[crankcase]

...for the record.
How did i come by my ID on the thomas morse?

I focused on the tailplane unit and by a process of elimination excluded other biplanes which had tail fin contours which were close, but not close enough, e.g., where the fin meets the fuselage (in other types, the vertical stabilizer line curls under before touching the fuselage).

similar approach with the horizontal stabilizer and elevator controls.

there wasn't much left of the plane, but at least one could check the configuration of struts, single bay, parallel to each other and verify that they did not contradict a t.morse.

finally, the nonchalant stance of the personnel in the background looked more "yank" than "other allied" and they did not seem to be in a battle mode. so it looked US domestic...

hope this provides enough substantiation?
marc

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by crankcase

...for the record.
How did i come by my ID on the thomas morse?

I focused on the tailplane unit and by a process of elimination excluded other biplanes which had tail fin contours which were close, but not close enough, e.g., where the fin meets the fuselage (in other types, the vertical stabilizer line curls under before touching the fuselage).

similar approach with the horizontal stabilizer and elevator controls.

there wasn't much left of the plane, but at least one could check the configuration of struts, single bay, parallel to each other and verify that they did not contradict a t.morse.

finally, the nonchalant stance of the personnel in the background looked more "yank" than "other allied" and they did not seem to be in a battle mode. so it looked US domestic...

hope this provides enough substantiation?
marc

Greetings Marc,

Thanks for explaining your ID process, I kind of forgot about that!

Definitely some "YANK" looking types in the back ground.

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by crankcase

I AM SPEECHLESS...gulp!

Since I still don't have a facility for selecting and posting the next round, CAN I DO A FIENDISH THING AND PASS THE HONOR BACK TO "FOKKER J"?

My thinking is this: Fokker J at 51.50 points has a commanding lead. It must be tough at the top and I am sure he must be suffering from exhaustion, frayed nerves and general combat fatigue. Therefore I think the rest of you will agree with me that he deserves a well-earned rest from the "front" and should take a short leave during the next round (which, incidentally, will give the others a chance to reduce his lead!)

Pls confirm if you agree and let us proceed to the next sortie! Hals und Beinbruch!
marc
p.s. To avoid any conflict of interest, I will also sit out the next round.

I would be honored to fill in for you, but I should still get to play!

I will host the BCFC Nr.446 later as I have a busy day ahead and must search for an appropriate Crash foto to challenge all (I hope!).

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ