Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #594

Aquilius · 10 June 2009, 10:13 AM

Ladies & Gentlemen,

welcome to Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #594!

A new 'old' aircraft needs to be identified.

The score will be divided to model, manufacturer and maybe whatelse you can bring on to this one.
And I will give you a first hint; do not trust the numbers given.

The scoreboard after challenge #593 - Perojo Biplane 1917 - is:

108.80 Varese2002 ☼
76.70 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.15 Froggy
17.50 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

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THE RULES

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
6. (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
7. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
8. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
9. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
10. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
11. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
12. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Richard, enjoy your holiday!
All others - have a good hunt on this one!

Aquilius

Lodzermensch · 10 June 2009, 10:13 PM

Hello,

This is an ex-K.u.K. Kriegsmarine K 405 – Hansa Brandenburg W.13 flying boat manufactured by UFAG if I am not wrong. Characteristic features are: the arrangement of tail section, shape of wings and interplane struts, and a single Daimler 350 hp engine – actually hardly visible on the picture.

The boat was taken over by the USN where she was given a number 5806, after the War (thereafter the number had been slightly modified by Aquilius before the Challenge was submitted I guess).

Greetings

Marek

Varese2002 · 10 June 2009, 11:38 PM

Although too late owing to Internet troubles, here my two cent

This is the Austro-hungarian Brandenburg W 13 (licence built by UFAG - Ungarische Flugzeugfabrik A.G) which carried originally the k.u.k. registration K405.

This machine was 'given' as war reparation to the US and was taken up by the US Navy under serial A-5806 (somewhat photoshop-distorted here

). The machine was completely evaluated, studied and photographed by US Navy engineers (probably a report is biting dust in the US Archives) and test flown. The machine was struck of charge on June 16, 1922.

All about the Brandenburg W 13 can be read in Windsock Datafile 119 authored by George Haddow.

Cheers

Kees

Aquilius · 11 June 2009, 05:20 AM

That's it! There is nothing to add!

My source was the book "K.u.k. Seefligerchronik" by P.Schupita.
He told when the italians took over the navy station Pola, they didn't want to use any of the flying boats there, only to scrap them. But an US-guy asked to take some for evaluation. He choose this Hansa-Brandenburg W.13 and another one, which I don't know now. (The book is already back at the library

)

Of course full score to Marek, who was not misled by the markings and now is heading straight towards the top-10.

Scoreboard after challenge #594 - Hansa-Brandenburg W.13 (UFAG built) - is:

108.80 Varese2002 ☼

76.70 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.15 Froggy
17.50 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
11.90 Lodzermensch

09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Marek, the next challenge is yours!
And enjoy your holiday!
(after almost 4 years in Austria I'm still not familiar with all those catholic holidays ...

)

Cheers

Aquilius

Lodzermensch · 11 June 2009, 12:04 PM

Hello,

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Marek, the next challenge is yours!
And enjoy your holiday!

Thank you, Aquilius.

Cheers

Marek