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Old 29 June 2009, 08:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Don't worry AROTH it's not the sleep in your eyes! The lines should help with joining the bits. At the end of the bits and a bit longer (if no one's got it yet) I'll post the whole photo.
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Well, if I’m seeing what I am looking at, which is uncertain at best, I would say that the machine has a 3 or 4 wheel under-cart similar to the Breguet or Voisin designs.
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Piece №8 (600-i) gives at least away that this is a biplane with a maze of struts. From the black blots it seems that this is the engine with on top of it a radiator (?) or an oil-tank (?). Although it cannot be seen, the engine might be a rotary with the oil-tank in the neighbourhood. Pusher type with tailbooms, coming together at the rudder, with high lying elevator.

After this another shot. A Vickers F.B. 5.

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Old 29 June 2009, 11:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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No FB 5 here!
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Okay I wait for the next blob



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Old 30 June 2009, 02:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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1hr till the next highly detailed piece of the puzzle!
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Old 30 June 2009, 03:33 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Piece #10 - only six to go!! OOPS apparently I missed #8 yesterday so here it is as well
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Old 30 June 2009, 05:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Dave, I had the same thoughts yesterday.

It looks like a 3-bay pusher with equal span wings (no oblique struts visible through the wire-net fence ) that did not have additional kingposts and with a low nacelle and a low landing gear of what the rear wheels yet to recognise are placed far behind the leading edge, not like most of the other pushers.

I don't know something that fits.

The Ago/Otto pushers of 1912/1913 did not had this kind of tail,
the Bollekens Nelis-Farman GN.1 resembles a little this picture, only the covered gondola does not seem to match here and the Avro 508 had an additional vertical stabilizer infront of the rudder.

To me it leaves a Farman not built by Farman. Maybe a russian Farman-Voisin mixup - something like Olkhovskij.

Or it's a Voisin accidently fitted with a Farman tail.


edit: is the Farman HF 27 already out of the race?

see 1915 type:




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My last idea is the Otto B-type. There was quite some variation within the family and one tailplane could fit:

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Old 30 June 2009, 12:18 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Joachim, maybe this one?



IMO the wheels are too far in front and there are too many tail-boom struts.
But what is the "abnehmbare Kappe" (removable cap)?


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