Breguet's ID Challenge #600

[Dave_Kent]

Kees, based on Breguet's refernce to a War Diary and flight in Feb. 1916, I think we are intended to look amons the warring nations.

There is another great shot of an HF 27 serving with the RFC in Macedonia in Duval's WAR IN THE AIR 1914 - 1918, page 12. I was very tempted with this a couple of days ago, but as it was a Farman...

[AROTH]

Thanks, Aquilius, for your kindness.

I think I will just sleep thru the rest of this one.

[Breguet]

One of you is certainly on the right track, but keeps getting side-tracked - and the pilot, though not Australian, was Capt Augustine Francis Marlowe RNAS.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Breguet

One of you is certainly on the right track, but keeps getting side-tracked - and the pilot, though not Australian, was Capt Augustine Francis Marlowe RNAS.

The war diary of Marlowe - probably with the picture and identification of the Challenge machine - was published in Cross and Cockade (UK).

21.057-079 The War Diary of a Naval Airman 1915-1918, Capt Augustine Francis Marlowe; via Peter Cooksley.
Comprehensive diary of squadron life and events in the Aegean
1915-1918, with career summary and text notes (17p map)

So looking at the title and the events in the Agean this might be a Grahame White pusher biplane.

Cheers

Kees

[Dave_Kent]

The only G W type I can find in RNAS service at the time was the 'Type 1600', aka the G W XV in its final form. Clearly not the Challenge machine.

[Breguet]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

The only G W type I can find in RNAS service at the time was the 'Type 1600', aka the G W XV in its final form. Clearly not the Challenge machine.

I never said it was in the Aegean

[Varese2002]

Capt Augustine Francis Marlowe RNAS got Aviators' Certificate №2180 with a Grahame White Biplane at RNAS Chingsford on December 17, 1915. Referenced here.

The Graham White Type XV (or Admiralty Type 1600) does not match with the Challenge picture, as this machine was never fitted with a four-wheel landing gear and the tail rudder was double and of different form.

References in: J.M. Bruce. British aeroplanes 1914-1918.

Cheers

Kees

[Aquilius]

Marlowe who got his pilot brevet in December 1915 in Chingford stayed there at least another month. He changed to Yarmouth in February 1916 for doing coastal patrol, anti-airship and submarine missions.

The scenery is likely at a coastal patrol - so he might have moved to Yarmouth early that month. Only the aircraft does not seem adequately armed as a zeppelin-interceptor. And I was not able to locate any mention what kind of aircraft were hosted there that could be what we're looking for.
I think this is not to find with the web.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

It seems that we have exceptional opportunity of getting to know all pusher type biplanes built ever.

According to Breguet’s statement this aircraft was not admittedly a front line machine. So, maybe it had something to do with Léon de Brouckère – Belgian designer who built at least two pusher biplanes before the War. They looked like Farman designs. Unfortunately, I know nothing about his later designs – if there were any. I do not know how to connect de Brouckère with Capt. Augustine Francis Marlowe RNAS, either.

Greetings

Marek

[Breguet]

Originally Posted by Lodzermensch

Hello,

It seems that we have exceptional opportunity of getting to know all pusher type biplanes built ever.

According to Breguet’s statement this aircraft was not admittedly a front line machine. So, maybe it had something to do with Léon de Brouckère – Belgian designer who built at least two pusher biplanes before the War. They looked like Farman designs. Unfortunately, I know nothing about his later designs – if there were any. I do not know how to connect de Brouckère with Capt. Augustine Francis Marlowe RNAS, either.

Greetings

Marek

This is no time to be mudding the waters still further Marek !!

AND Grahame-White had earler designs than the type XV after all. Anyone have a listing for aircraft at Chingford 1915/1916 ?