Breguet's Crash File Challenge #476

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Flamingo

I downloaded the picture to be able to enlarge it and I think the wing cut out of the upper panels is a STRAIGHT line which would make it an Albatros B.II.
The C.I has a bend in that line. But it is very difficult to see on the picture.

gREETINGS jOACHIM,

yOU MAY BE RIGHT!

STUPID KEYS! STUPID BIG FINGERS! sTUPID CAP LOCKS!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE to prove your case.

What I saw was that the ailerons do not look parallel, but rather tapered to me. The B.I cartoon that I have shows a more parallel aileron, the C.I appears to be slightly tapered compared to our machine that the aileron looks definitely tapered to me!

Any takers on this?


All comments are welcome and I haven't heard any Wagnerian Ladies singing yet!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

[Flamingo]

The aileron is not a definite feature, in the B.II DF picture 32 shows a B.II with inversely tapering ailerons and the Digmayer drawings show them as well (ok, the latter is no proof at all).

And with school machines they might have been taken from whatever was available.

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Flamingo

The aileron is not a definite feature, in the B.II DF picture 32 shows a B.II with inversely tapering ailerons and the Digmayer drawings show them as well (ok, the latter is no proof at all).

And with school machines they might have been taken from whatever was available.

Joachim,

You might be right.... If so that would get Dan-San off of the hook! : )
Then you would have to take over the next Challenge.



Then again, that would put you that much closer to striking distance of the "ACE OF ACES"!....
Bad idea, nevermind!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. Seriously though, if you can be as convincing as Dan-San was, you just never know....
Show me the proof! Or is that money?

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Gentlemen:
What is the posted time, Greenwich mean time, EST PST, what is the difference. When I did my post I was well outside of the perceived 3 hour time limit. Would it be possible to state the time base. So I won't get into trouble again.
Blue skies Guys,
Dan-San

[Flamingo]

Here is the picture:



As you see both ailerons show taper so it can not be caused by non neutral position. The simple V cut out proves it is a B.II.

Dan-San, you can set the time displayed in your control panel. Mine is central Europe and FOKKERJ posted at 12:32 AM so 3:32 AM is ok. You posted 2:11 AM which was 1 hour 21 minutes too early.

[FOKKERJ]

Hi Joachim,

All appologies for taking so long....... So many distractions!

For comparison reasons I have paired these two images below:

Originally Posted by Flamingo

Here is the picture:As you see both ailerons show taper so it can not be caused by non neutral position. The simple V cut out proves it is a B.II.

Originally Posted by Flamingo

The aileron is not a definite feature, in the B.II DF picture 32 shows a B.II with inversely tapering ailerons and the Digmayer drawings show them as well (ok, the latter is no proof at all).

And with school machines they might have been taken from whatever was available.

I think that you may be are on to something here.

I have looked at the center section cut-out and it is a little soft, but could be a pie slice shape.
It definetely doesn't look like an Albatros C.I cut-out with their triple radii shape.

Maybe, just maybe, Breguet has finally got his wish of no further punishment on this challenge.

I was a little surprised that no one has correctly identified the tires!
Or the trees for that matter.
I guess ther will be no BONUS POINTS awarded this time!

[FOKKERJ]

After much thought and a little research I believe that we have a WINNER!

I also think that it's time to bury this puppy!

I was actually waiting for the a, as in Albatros B.IIa!
I really don't know.

I especially want to thank Dan-San, Flamingo, Breguet, and everyone else that came here and played with me.

For your entertainment and educational purposes, I submit the following for your pleasure:



Oh ya, CONGRATULATIONS goes to Flamingo! : )

The scoreboard at the end of Crashfile # 476, Albatros B.II.


56.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
48.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
39.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
28.95 Lodzermensch ¤
27.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤
24.40 YavorD
15.25 Aquilius
15.25 AROTH
12.50 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.04 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.......................Have to wait three hours!
04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.20 Crankcase
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Berman
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

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HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

I have missed this challenge but I would like to put my five cents or maybe two pence in.

I completely agree that this is Albatros B.II, however the picture posted by Flamingo does not show tapered ailerons in my opinion. I think the taper effect is only an optical illusion caused by curvature of ailerons. Please note, that the edge of aileron is parallel to the line of a white square, which is a background of the cross. This would be impossible if the aileron has been tapered.

It is just my “free thought” and does not change final conclusion of course – I have no doubts that the subject of this challenge is Albatros B.II.

CONGRATULATION Joachim.

Cheers

Marek

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Lodzermensch

Hello,

I have missed this challenge but I would like to put my five cents or maybe two pence in.

I completely agree that this is Albatros B.II, however the picture posted by Flamingo does not show tapered ailerons in my opinion. I think the taper effect is only an optical illusion caused by curvature of ailerons. Please note, that the edge of aileron is parallel to the line of a white square, which is a background of the cross. This would be impossible if the aileron has been tapered.

It is just my “free thought” and does not change final conclusion of course – I have no doubts that the subject of this challenge is Albatros B.II.

CONGRATULATION Joachim.

Cheers

Marek

Greetings Marek,

Thanks for adding your more than swei pfennig to this, it really is important to me to recieve feedback on any difficult subject here.
A clearer image would always be nice, but we work with what is available and this is such a nice fotograf.

Thanks for playing, FOKKERJ

[crankcase]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Hi Joachim,

All appologies for taking so long....... So many distractions!

For comparison reasons I have paired these two images below:

Never mind the a/c I.D. what's with the iron crosses painted on the top of the bottom wings? never saw this before. was it to remind the crew what ide they were on?

marc