Breguet's Crash File Challenge #476

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 03:32 PM

Wilkommen to the BCFC Nr. 476.

The scoreboard at the end of Crashfile # 475, DH6.

56.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
48.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
39.70 Froggy ¤
31.10 Rbailey ¤
28.95 Lodzermensch ¤
27.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤
24.40 YavorD
15.25 Aquilius
15.25 AROTH
12.50 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.04 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.......................Have to wait three hours!
04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.20 Crankcase
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Berman
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Previous Breguet's Crash Files

The Rules
All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet

For your entertainment and educational purposes, I submit the following for your pleasure:

HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 04:44 PM

I thought that I would post here until the duplicate thread is removed so that it is easier for those interested parties to keep track of this one.

Unless someone evil post on the earlier thread!

HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

Dan_San_Abbott · 18 August 2009, 05:11 PM

Hi Jay:
It is an Albatros C.I, it is a very early machine because it has Hazet side mounted radiators. It also has a Garuda propeller. Also the upper wing mounted compass. At first, I thought it was a late model Alb.B.II, but, I could not see external control horns an elevator cables. So I concluded it was a early Albatros C.I
I don't quite unstand how the pilot dropped it in trees. He must haved stalled the machine and dropped it in the trees, Amazing he did not smash the propeller.
Blue skies Jay,
Dan-San

AROTH · 18 August 2009, 07:04 PM

Hey, stop calling me evil........

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Hi Jay:
It is an Albatros C.I, it is a very early machine because it has Hazet side mounted radiators. It also has a Garuda propeller. Also the upper wing mounted compass. At first, I thought it was a late model Alb.B.II, but, I could not see external control horns an elevator cables. So I concluded it was a early Albatros C.I
I don't quite unstand how the pilot dropped it in trees. He must haved stalled the machine and dropped it in the trees, Amazing he did not smash the propeller.
Blue skies Jay,
Dan-San

God bless you Dan-San, Yes you are correct in that you are the first to post an answer here.
I must remind you of the "RULES OF BREGUET" though:

*All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!

** If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge.

Now for the good news (?), my source is calling this machine something other than an Albatros C.I, but you have cast a serious shadow of doubt on the Source's intel on this particular machine!

We will wait and see the consensus on positive ID of this image.

If you are found to be indeed right, then the duty of hosting the next challenge shall fall to you.
Also, the Source and myself will be in your gratitude for setting this straight.

Thanks for playing, I look forward to more replies.

HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

P.S. For once, Dan-San, I hope that you are wrong!

P.S.S. If nothing else, I believe you deserve some kind of point award for such a convincing description.

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Hi Jay:
It is an Albatros C.I, it is a very early machine because it has Hazet side mounted radiators. It also has a Garuda propeller. Also the upper wing mounted compass. At first, I thought it was a late model Alb.B.II, but, I could not see external control horns an elevator cables. So I concluded it was a early Albatros C.I
I don't quite unstand how the pilot dropped it in trees. He must haved stalled the machine and dropped it in the trees, Amazing he did not smash the propeller.
Blue skies Jay,
Dan-San

Hi Dan-San,

After researching my meager library, I think that you are probably right on this machine.
My cartoons (colored 3-way drawings) show what I believe to be a smaller radius on the aileron tip than our subject, but it's a cartoon!
The unequal wing span checks out.
There does appear to be side mounted radiators on the fuselage and not a wing mounted job.
I know nothing about the "upper wing mounted compass", but can clearly see something there.
At this angle and the closeness of the photographer, it's hard to tell the exact
shape of tell tale details that I normally look for, such as wing or stabiliser/elevator features.

I do believe that you have this one.

Which means no point!

Breguet's RULES, not mine!

STUPID RULES!

Unless someone can prove without a doubt that this is not an Albatros C.I,
then I guess that you are the winner....er, uh, hmph...I mean the Host of the next BCFC #477.

I have contacted both the source of the fotograf and Breguet, but I do believe that you will want to get ready for the BCFC #477.

Thanks for playing.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. I see that this is quickly about to come to a conclusion as his Royalness is present.

Breguet · 18 August 2009, 08:39 PM

This makes twice now that Dan-San has been shown to be a very naughty boy in this regard

. Should he be proven right a I shall be posting a VERY easy one for the benefit of the poor underserved newbies

!

(Hey why am I being punished

? )

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breguet

This makes twice now that Dan-San has been shown to be a very naughty boy in this regard

. Should he be proven right a I shall be posting a VERY easy one for the benefit of the poor underserved newbies

!

(Hey why am I being punished

? )

Don't make me read "THE RULES" to you:

OK, just part of them:

** If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point, but has to post the next challenge.

See, I am better than a "HELPER MONKEY" !

FOKKERJ · 18 August 2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breguet

This makes twice now that Dan-San has been shown to be a very naughty boy in this regard

. Should he be proven right a I shall be posting a VERY easy one for the benefit of the poor underserved newbies

!

(Hey why am I being punished

? )

If I can be of service, I have a fotograf of an unidentified Class "C" wrecked in some trees that I could dig out of my U.F.O. box and loan you for the next Challenge.

This is really a good place to ID these U.F.O.'s.

P.S. Of course it's not the same fotograf!
It's one of several that I haven't figured out the correct ID on yet, so have been unable to use them here (except when I am feeling a little adventuresome!

).

Flamingo · 19 August 2009, 12:08 AM

I downloaded the picture to be able to enlarge it and I think the wing cut out of the upper panels is a STRAIGHT line which would make it an Albatros B.II.
The C.I has a bend in that line. But it is very difficult to see on the picture.