Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #629

[Rod_Filan]

The scoreboard after challenge #628 - Martinsyde S. 1

115.10 Varese2002 ☼
84.00 Dave_Kent ☼
71.40 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
19.70 Aquilius
19.65 Froggy
18.70 YavorD
15.90 Flamingo
15.20 richard B
13.80 Rod Filan
12.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Stig Jarlevik
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

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1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
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hmmmm...Let's see... we haven't had a gas bag in a while...
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Good Luck!

[Varese2002]

As there is eternal silence about this dirigible, I would propose we are looking at an Austro-hungarian dirigible (Luftschiff) probably on the Czech side of the country. When I am right the gondola is in the collection of the NTM [Národní technické muzeum] in Prague.

Far later in the 1930's the Czechs had such a sort of motorized observation balloon, but that is of course far out of the period 1914-1918

Cheers

Kees

[Rod_Filan]

Of course you are right about this being a motorized observation balloon. However it isn't a Czech nK-21 converted artillery K type balloon, nor is it A-H.

I suppose I could give a clue and say this photograph was taken somewhere near Austria though -- and no, not from the 30's -- during 1918.
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Cheers

[Dave_Kent]

The Great War Forum has the following that might be relevamt:
"Otcober 1918 , a Parseval observation balloon was equiped with a motorgondola, but to late for WWI, it saw never actif service."

[Rod_Filan]

Dave you have the date right. This motorized dirigible observation balloon conducted its first flight trials during October 1918 -- arriving too late in the war to be used in any operational capacity -- but not a Parseval fesselballon.
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Cheers

[Varese2002]

Sure it is this one of German fabrication



Cheers

Kees

[Rod_Filan]

Very good Kees. Now we know it's German, only the constructor (and less importantly, the balloon type) still remains a mystery.

Your photo is new to me yet unfortunately for you it doesn't reveal the location too well; so I've added another that the place of the test flights may give a clue due to its proximity to the unnamed balloon factory.
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Cheers

[Rbailey]

Was this built by Friedrichshafen, or did you leave this caption on as a trick?

Looks like a copy of a French Caquot, the German designation was "Type Ae. That's before the power etc.was added.

[Rod_Filan]

My mistake. Not at all intentional.

Nevertheless you've correctly stated the type, and inadvertently, the location of the trials.

Late AE type conducting motorized trials at Friedrichshafen in October 1918, built under the lead of a well-known engineer earlier associated with several semi-rigid airships.

But still no name of the construction firm...

Hopefully this hint will get you there...
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Cheers

[Dave_Kent]

When I see Augsberg, I think Willy Messerschmitt