Breguet's Aircraft id Challenge # 635

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Aircraft id Challenge # 635



Have a good time with this one. Please give everything you have about this one, including if possible the name of the pilot (no extra points though ).

Cheers

Kees

The scoreboard at the start of challenge #635

117.20 Varese2002 ¤
85.80 Dave_Kent ¤
72.00 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
19.70 Aquilius
19.65 Froggy
18.70 YavorD
15.90 Flamingo
15.20 richard B
13.80 Rod Filan
12.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

THE RULES:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
6. (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
7. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
8. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
9. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
10. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
11. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
12. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rbailey]

Looks like the MB-Boutard monoplace, where MB is Melli Beese, who is in the cockpit. Looks like a Fokker E. I (or A.I) except for the tail.

Sorry, a little too early on my clock.

[Varese2002]

One minute too early But I think there is no problem because the answer is not correct (that is both the identification of the machine and the pilot).

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

Then I would try a Borel-Morane,as the landing gear and tailplane seem to fit, and at least one was still around in 1914.

[Dave_Kent]

Also based on undercarriage and general configuration, I will suggest the Bobba monoplane, with Cesare Bobba at the controls.

[Varese2002]

No Bobba's or Borel-Moranes here I am afraid

This is a bigger version of the print, to make it somewhat easier to identify.



Extra, this picture is dated 21-22 June, 1914.

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

Running through other possibilities, the 1914 Vendome military type had the requisite features, including a partially uncovered rear fuselage.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Running through other possibilities, the 1914 Vendome military type had the requisite features, including a partially uncovered rear fuselage.

Rbailey, although you are quite close this will not earn you a full point

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

Not sure where to go with this, but Pujol, Comabella & Co. built Vendome's in Spain; I found "La fiesta de Aviación del Corpus celebrada del 18 al 23 de junio de 1914 …Hedilla capotó al tomar tierra, aunque su Vendome de 60 H.P. no sufrió desperfectos graves. Adaro consiguió un vuelo de 11 minutos en su avión Vendome de 80 H.P." to fit your dates.

I based my answer on a photo I have of a Spanish Vendome labeled military type, but there is a Vendome with large wheels that also is referred to as military type. I won't have time to look any further for a while.

[YavorD]

I am going to try from memory Bathiat-Sanchez Type E, a development of earlier Sommer Type E (or F). There is a combination of Bleriot-inspired fuselage, tailplane and wing (with cut-out) but split-axle undercarriage, all this stuff propelled by a 7-cylinder Le Rhone (60 hp?).
Regards,
Yavor