Breguet's Crash Files Challenge No 493

Lodzermensch · 30 September 2009, 08:55 AM

Welcome to BCFC No 493

Scoreboard at the end of #492:

56.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
54.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
40.60 Froggy ¤
32.30 Rbailey ¤
32.15 Lodzermensch ¤
29.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤
24.70 YavorD
16.45 Aquilius
15.25 AROTH
12.50 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.04 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.20 Crankcase
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.......................Have to wait three hours!

04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Berman
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Previous Breguet's Crash Files

The Rules

All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).

The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.

All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!

To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!

If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.

The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

GOOD LUCK!!!

Marek

Flamingo · 30 September 2009, 11:55 AM

Voisin L, LA or 3 because of pusher configuration and Salmson engine with box radiators and typical tailplane.

FOKKERJ · 30 September 2009, 11:55 AM

Greetings Marek,

My limited resources indicate that by the triangular rudder tip top, wing and elevator shape, and pusher engine configuration that this might be a Voisin 8.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

The "8" had an increased rudder area and the "10' had even more rudder area.

FOKKERJ · 30 September 2009, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingo

Voisin L, LA or 3 because of pusher configuration and Salmson engine with box radiators and typical tailplane.

Hello Joachim,

My guess says a 220 h.p. Peugeot 8a inline.
This looks more like a rotary cylindered engine to me!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. I do see the "Box Radiators".

Flamingo · 30 September 2009, 12:14 PM

Hi Jay

The Salmson was (the only?) water-cooled radial engine. Later Voisins had Vee-type inline engines.

See here:

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html

click aircraft and Voisin 10

FOKKERJ · 30 September 2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingo

Hi Jay

The Salmson was (the only?) water-cooled radial engine. Later Voisins had Vee-type inline engines.

See here:

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html

click aircraft and Voisin 10

Thank you Joachim you are right!

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Greetings Marek,

My limited resources indicate that by the triangular rudder tip top, wing and elevator shape, and pusher engine configuration that this might be a Voisin 8.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

The "8" had an increased rudder area and the "10' had even more rudder area.

Just in case you are wrong....

I will change to the Voisin 5B.2 (Type LA.S) for the rounded wing tips and radial engine.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. Seeing the nacelle would help!

Lodzermensch · 30 September 2009, 12:31 PM

Hello,

Although Joachim’s answer is a bit imprecise, I think I can concede it as correct. This is Voisin 3 LA – according to my best knowledge based on French Aircraft of the First WW by Davilla and Soltan this is proper designation. The plane was in Russian service and was downed around fortress of Przemysl, Galicia.

Voisin L was an earlier type and – as opposed to LA/LAS - had all interplane struts parallel – this difference is barely visible in the photo.

My CONGRATULATIONS, Flamingo.

Jay,

The engine is not in-line for sure. Sorry.

Scoreboard at the end of # 493 Voisin 3 LA:

56.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
55.70 Flamingo ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
40.60 Froggy ¤
32.30 Rbailey ¤
32.15 Lodzermensch ¤
29.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤
24.70 YavorD
16.45 Aquilius
15.25 AROTH
12.50 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.04 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.20 Crankcase
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.......................Have to wait three hours!

04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Berman
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Cheers

Marek

Flamingo · 30 September 2009, 12:59 PM

Marek

did not move the picture to the right to see the angled strut, but I was in a hurry, opened the thread at 8.54!

Lodzermensch · 30 September 2009, 01:14 PM

Hi Joachim,

Quote:

I was in a hurry, opened the thread at 8.54!

So, it had to be a real challenge.

Cheers

Marek

YavorD · 1 October 2009, 02:27 AM

Hi!
I do not have intention to contest the outcome of the challenge. just want a clarification.
In my opinion the aeroplane in question was not LA but LAS. "S" was used to designate raised thrust line (the engine moved few inches up in order to provide propeller clearance).
Regards,
Yavor