Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #646

Varese2002 · 1 November 2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rbailey

Just to keep this alive, here is a 3-view drawing of the xxxxxxx A....., not that it will help. But everything you need to find this machine on-line is in Dave's speculations and my hints. So far as I can find, there were only two machines designed by this designer.

Thanks RBailey, at least the drawing gives away a 7-cylinder rotary and a side-by side (two persons) fuselage. Sopwith seems to have delivered some inspiration for xxxxxxx (so the name of the designer should have 7 letters

).

Cheers

Kees

Varese2002 · 1 November 2009, 01:09 PM

Looking through available Argentine information I would guess this is a machine from Gerardo J. Noni who at least built a monoplane (MONOPLANO) and a biplane (BIPLANO).

Cheers

Kees

Rbailey · 1 November 2009, 02:59 PM

No No Noni

p.s. - Noni's biplane looked like a Farman, not a Sopwith.

Varese2002 · 1 November 2009, 03:29 PM

One more to keep things moving

Is this a biplane of Argentinian Aerelio Santoro. It is given that he built a monoplane in 1917.

Cheers

Kees

Rbailey · 1 November 2009, 04:36 PM

The Santoro I have building aeroplanes in Argentina in this time period was Augustin according to the references I have. But no matter, it is not a Santoro. Did we ever confirm that the machine is Argentinian?

Varese2002 · 1 November 2009, 10:37 PM

You are candidly telling that I am stubbornly looking in the wrong direction? Sure we are looking at a machine from South America or even not that?

Cheers

Kees

Rbailey · 2 November 2009, 06:24 AM

South America is good. But not Argentina.

Rbailey · 2 November 2009, 05:09 PM

The photos of this machine came from a photo-montage printed in a magazine (not on aviation) whose archives are on-line, and the same montage is posted on an aviation history page on the web. The 3-view came from a book. The montage, which shows a few more fragments of the machine, is here, unfortunately with some identifying text removed.

Dave_Kent · 3 November 2009, 06:39 AM

Elusive!! Here is some additional speculation, for someone with time on their hands. This machine may have been considered a “Fighter” by its designer and country of origin. If so, the 3 view drawing is likely from the Green / Swanborough book, THE COMPLETE BOOK OF FIGHTERS… and would also appear in one of two hundred or so issues of AIR ENTHUSIAST / AIR INTERNATIONAL.

Rbailey · 3 November 2009, 11:43 AM

Dave

Your first set of speculations were pretty good; you guessed the wrong designer, but he could lead (indirectly) to the right one. Your last speculation is not so good - the plane was intended as a trainer.