Please a photo of Halberstadt D.III

[John McKenzie]

This photo taken at Lord mayors show , London 1917..as part of a Parade of captured enemy equipement .
JM

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by John McKenzie

This photo taken at Lord mayors show , London 1917..as part of a Parade of captured enemy equipement .
JM

You can see - at thumbnail format - the captured Halberstadt passing on a car along the streets of London here.

A pity that the thumbail is postage stamp size, but today old movie reels are big business. When you want to show pieces on TV you will have to pay large sums for one show on TV.

Cheers

Kees

[Pmacko]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

You can see - at thumbnail format - the captured Halberstadt passing on a car along the streets of London here.

A pity that the thumbail is postage stamp size, but today old movie reels are big business. When you want to show pieces on TV you will have to pay large sums for one show on TV.

Cheers

Kees

If you click on the lower case i on the viewer, you'll see an enlarged version of this fascinating clip.

[Varese2002]

Thanks for the tip Paul, I had not noticed that. Looking more attentively at the reel - shot at the November 1, 1917 Lord Mayor's Parade London - it is an amazing time piece.

I was looking with amazament at the 'Women's Land Army' (carrying farm tools - rakes; pitchforks; etc. and some of them riding on a cart piled high with hay).

Of course photographers were all around, so the tank in the show can be seen here

A better copy of the reel can be seen at Pathe here. This is a still of the Halberstadt riding in the parade.



Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

As the date is clear of this parade [November 1, 1917) I was sure Flight had at least taken a picture (surely also their rival The Aeroplane, but I have no access to them). They have, this is it ......



Cheers

Kees

[Cigogne]

None of the photos you have posted show an Halberstadt D.III. Only the drawing shows a D.III (Dan-San Abbott drawing). The photos of the captured aircraft show the same Halberstadt D.V airframe. (Jasta 27 Halb. D.V shot down flown by Uffz. Schiener I believe, I'll have to double-check.). The aircraft was in standard Halberstadt two-tone green/brown finish when downed, but was either recovered or repainted.) You can tell this is a D.V by the centre-section structure that has that center upper wing panel. This was part of the three piece wing section with revised cabane structure. The D.I, II, and III all had an inverted "V" trestle-type of cabane w/ the radiator affixed to it where two panels attached to the trestle in the centre fitting neatly around the two sections of radiator. The D.V, (seen in these photos) however, while having a nearly identical fuselage, had a different cabane entirely w/ struts that were vertical when viewed from the front and did not converged toward the centerline inverted "V." The D.V also had a round semi-circular cutout in the trailing edge of the centre wing section, above the cockpit, while the D.I, II, and III had the angular cutout seen in the drawing. The ailerons and washout also differ between the D.I, II, III, and V (inboard balances). Another feature of the D.V was the downward pointing exhaust stack seen in the photos. The D.I, II had the long lengthwise exhaust stack ala Spad (except it went along only the starboard side of the fuselage to just behind the cockpit.). The D.III had the vertical "rhino horn" exhaust w/ tip bent back towards the top wing. The D.V had the exhaust that collected and exited downwards from the cylinders, similar to some later Fokker D.VII aircraft.

Cubsfan4life:

The link you posted here: http://www24.brinkster.com/jasta30/images/HalbD3.jpg shows a Halberstadt D.II

I. Note the long exhaust stack on the fuselage.
II. Notice the dihedral that ends at the center of the two-panel wing join. (D.V has that flat center panel with the outer wing panels joining outboard of the center section.)
III. Notice angular cutout of upper wing trailing edge and no balances on the ailerons.

Hopefully this will help you guys w/ noticing the finer detail differences between the types. Quite easy when you know what to look for. Those photos of the captured D.V have been mislabelled for years.

Here is a grab of the top wings that were in the truck following the tender that had the fuselage. The lower wings were in the truck w/ the fuselage. The upper wings followed behind. You can see the balanced aileron design of the D.V quite easily. The rudder shows overpainting and a British applied number. Whether or not the aircraft was remarked w/ cocades before or after is not known, but the rudder definitely was overpainted by this time judging by the number. The other shot shows the cabane structure and how it differs from the D.I-III.

Cheers,

[Varese2002]

Thanks Cicogne for your information about the finer details of different Halberstadt D-type fighters. As I was not sure about the exact type I made a points of naming it a Halberstadt and not be much more specific

The rudder shows overpainting and a British applied number. Whether or not the aircraft was remarked w/ cocades before or after is not known, but the rudder definitely was overpainted by this time judging by the number.

I looked up to find the numbers allotted to captured Halberstadt machines according to here - Captured Enemy Aircraft (1914-1918).

Although the three digits on the rudder are next to unrecognizable (for me) a good candidate could be G12 which is given as a Halberstadt D.V captured on February 15, 1917. It could fit the bill.

Cheers

Kees