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13 November 2009, 10:37 AM
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Does your research show if any of these pilots belonged to an "A" flight? Is there a 70th squadron history that possibly shows which pilots were assigned to a particular flight? Just grasping at straws here...
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13 November 2009, 12:05 PM
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No wonder it crashed with all that dang shrubbery hanging off of it in inconvenient places.
 The "A" and "5" would probably be duplicated on several machines from different squadrons, right? "A" indicates the flight and "5" that particular machine. So what differentiated the squadrons? I thought that there were usually hash marks on the rear fuselage and/or stripes on the wings. Is that right? Regards,
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13 November 2009, 01:24 PM
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Drew-
Check out post #9. I think that answers your question about the hash marks....
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13 November 2009, 05:05 PM
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Yes if I knew I would have given that data. Sadly no. I am aware the 70 SRB has been lost. Lufbury Yes there were squadron identification markings but probably like 56 Sqn, when 70 Sqn the only RFC Camel squadron then I suspect did not have one. When other Camel squadrons came on line then it most certainly would have adopted one - in this case a form of an N as seen in photo's of their Camel's later in 1917. Cheers Russ.
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13 November 2009, 05:41 PM
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Great stuff, guys. British markings are sometimes enigmatic for me. You helped clarify things quite a bit.
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14 November 2009, 01:24 AM
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You beat me to listing likely candidates from No 70 Sqn, although if we extend time-frame to the end of August, there are another couple of possibilities (due to the white zig-zag or "staggered N" squadron marking being adopted in August 1917). I would have added Lt H D Tapp to the mix - Pow 24 July, Dow 25 July - but since Camel B3825 was coded C-6 he can be excluded. 2nd Lt W J Gillespie was Pow in Camel B2307 on 19 August 2nd Lt L Wigley was Pow in Camel B3768 on 23 August The squadron suffered a further 10 PoWs in September 1917. Frustratingly, The Camel File gives Capt A R Hudson's Camel B3873 (he was PoW 16 August) the code C-5, with Hume in B3823 (no code quoted). This information is reversed in  The Sky Their Battlefield, with Henshaw giving B3823 the code.Graeme |
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15 November 2009, 04:43 PM
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Graeme & CThomas
Yes staggered N - I was struggling how to descibe that marking. Agree these others could be in mix. Remembered that there was the AM Price diary in C&C GB - he was AM for B Flight 1917-18 and provides some very good data. Woops yeah missed Tapp - C6 Gossett was definately B Fight, so too Gillespie. Its also worth noting for example that AM Price records that Hudson of C flight borrowed a B flight machine for patrol on 21 July. Indeed this sort of thing was common across the board. Certainly Hume's Camel was C5 as seen on German capture photos - off the cuff OTF Vol 2. Agree British markings have not received the attention they deserve. But there is a lot of good data and much can be gleaned from photos. Cheers Russ
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17 November 2009, 07:38 AM
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Graeme, Russ-
Thank you both for your suggestions as to likely pilots for this most unfortunate machine. Graeme- I saw that book you mentioned -The Sky Their Battlefield. Is it worth getting if one were to spend a $140.00 for a copy? Russ- Reading your reply, I take it we could possibly rule out Gillespie being he was 'B' flight. That is, of course, ruling out the fact that any qualified pilot from 70th Sqdn borrowed A-5 for a flip over enemy lines.
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17 November 2009, 01:17 PM
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Got my copy of The Sky Their Battlefield some while ago - it was £40 at the time - and it's been absolutely invaluable. $140 equates to about £85 which seems a bit steep, but it's not a "one-off" read, it's a book you return to time after time.Russ There's a book by Les Rogers that covers squadron markings in WW1, but it goes for about £55 so the topic probably won't get the coverage. Besides, by and large RFC etc markings weren't as colourful as their German counterparts Graeme |
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18 November 2009, 05:01 PM
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Cthomas & Graeme
TSTBF is worth its weight in gold if you are a keen researcher. Graeme No doubt. Quite a few books I would love to have. Presently got 'How Can a Man Die Better' on order - Isandlwana Zulu War. Cheers Russ.
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