Breguet's Crash File Challenge Nr.504

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Bonjour Mssr. Bruno,
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P.S. No one has correctly ID'd the additional fotografs that I submitted to entertain and confuse the Troops with.

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The first additional Fotograf is a 'Motoren Prüfstand', that is a test rig for testing engines. Exceptionally well thought out, with a crane for lifting the heavy engine in and out and sort of safety measures taken which are needed when the engine explodes ....

The second additional Fotograf is more difficult. My idea is that this is a sort of measuring appratus, as you can see the man takes notes. A lot of appartus are in the neighbourhood. I think he is measuring for a (military) map

Kees

[AROTH]

So, not conclusively proof, but here is why I chose the Albatros W1...

Pics are from the old Harleyford book, so take into consideration the age of the info.

I am primarily looking at the frontal detail, which about all there is anyway.

Most of the cowling pieces,louvers,access door,etc, seem to match.
The Benz engine in the crash seems to have individual exhaust stacks; photo #2 from the Harleyford book appears to look the same.
Side mounted radiators appear just visible in the crash Photo.

But, maybe the picture is really a trash barge that is picking up scrap junk along the way.......

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

The first additional Fotograf is a 'Motoren Prüfstand', that is a test rig for testing engines.
Exceptionally well thought out, with a crane for lifting the heavy engine in and out and sort of safety measures taken
which are needed when the engine explodes ....

The second additional Fotograf is more difficult. My idea is that this is a sort of measuring appratus,
as you can see the man takes notes. A lot of appartus are in the neighbourhood.
I think he is measuring for a (military) map

Kees

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Here's some fotografs to entertain yourself with while we wait.

This is the first attempt at the horizontal helicopter:


This one is for reeling in the really "BIG ONES' that almost got away!


HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

Greetings Kees,

Thanks for playing with us.

This is what the reverse says and is followed by Yavor D's translation.



"6639 In einer Motorenfabrik: Prüfstand fuer Flugzeugmotore, auf dem sie vor dem Einbau in das Flugzeug einer tagelangen Prüfung unterworfen werden. Der Prüfstand ist mit einem Gitter umgeben, das absplittende Propellerteile auffangen soll.

In a motor factory: Test bench for aeroplane engines, where they undergo a day long test run before installation in an aeroplane.
The test bench is surrounded with a wire mesh to catch off flying propeller debris.

14 August 1918

Regards,
Yavor"

And....



"Nothing important from the text, in my opinion.
5484 Die Autowinde, die mit Einheiten der Drachen dient (The self propelled winch, which served kite balloon units).

Dieses Bild ist vom Generalstab zur Veröffentlichung zugelassen werden. Das gestempelte Original befindet sich in meinen Händen.
Alle Rechte forbehalten. A. Grohs Jllustracione (sic!) Verlag, Berlin SW.68, Zimmerstr. 48b. Belegexemplar erbeten.

This image was approved (released) for publication by the General Staff. The stamped original is in my hands.
All rights reserved. A. Grohs Jllustracione (sic!) Publishers, Berlin SW. 68, Zimmer Str. 48 b.
Requested sample copy.

17 July 1918

Regards,
Yavor"

A Great Thank You to Yavor for helping me out on this.

"Die Autowinde, die mit Einheiten der Drachen dient.", makes much more sense than the caption at auction
which said that this was a propeller winder.
I have heard of "Propeller Winder/Starters" and was pretty excited to find a fotograf of one.... So I thought!
I am very happy to have such an excellent foto of a Fesselballoon Winch to add to the collection.

Thanks again, Jay

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by AROTH

So, not conclusively proof, but here is why I chose the Albatros W1...

Pics are from the old Harleyford book, so take into consideration the age of the info.

I am primarily looking at the frontal detail, which about all there is anyway.

Most of the cowling pieces,louvers,access door,etc, seem to match.
The Benz engine in the crash seems to have individual exhaust stacks; photo #2 from the Harleyford book appears to look the same.
Side mounted radiators appear just visible in the crash Photo.

But, maybe the picture is really a trash barge that is picking up scrap junk along the way.......

Congratulations goes to AROTH.... It really is a trash barge that is picking up scrap junk along the way!

I find your descriptions very convincing. I have a hard time seeing the fuselage mounted radiators
and was thrown off by the off-center radiator looking thingy mounted on the top wing between the two Sailors.
The nose does look more like an Albatros W1 than a W2 to my eyes.

I had thought that this might be a recrash of the W2.... Oh Well!

Aquilius, Watch out, AROTH is getting a little close to your SIX!

THE SCOREBOARD AT THE END OF CHALLENGE No 504 Albatros W1

59.70 Flamingo ¤ ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
58.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
40.60 Froggy ¤
33.15 Lodzermensch ¤
32.30 Rbailey ¤
31.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤
24.70 YavorD
16.45 Aquilius
16.25 AROTH
12.50 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.04 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.20 Crankcase
05.00 Kilian
05.00 Laserlloyd.......................Have to wait three hours!

04.50 Rufe .............................May start immediately
04.00 Eric
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Patrick
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.10 Catfish
03.00 Albatros_Ace
03.00 Berman
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
02.00 Rexee
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

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The Rules :

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
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6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

I normally stay away from UFO fotografs, but I believe that this one is not impossible to identify.
I will need positively absolute identification on this one and reserve the right to give "BONUS POINTS",
or part of for any additional information.

For your entertainment and educational purposes only I submit the following for your considerations:




"ON FLANDERS FIELDS
THE POPPIES GROW.
BETWEEN THE CROSSES
ROW ON ROW".


HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

[YavorD]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

...
I have heard of "Propeller Winder/Starters" and was pretty excited to find a fotograf of one.... So I thought!
...

Hello, Jay!
There is a photo of a British engine starter inside Mick Davis's book AIRCO : The Aircraft Manufacturing Company (Crowood).
Regards,
Yavor

[Ransom E. Olds]

Yavor: Is the starter pictured in Davis's book the Hucks starter? I recall a photo of an early specimen of the Hucks built into a Model T Ford and positioned to crank one of the engines on a DH10. Ransom

[AROTH]

Well,maybe I am just seeing things (old people syndrome), but the thing inside the yellow appears to be the lower radiator tubing and the stuff inside the red appears to be the radiator blocks (you have to blow it up and squint some).



So, I will wait 24 hrs in case someone comes up with another guess - if not, then I will post the next one.

[FOKKERJ]

Hi AROTH,

No worries, I am pretty damned confident that you are correct in you ID of this machine.
I wasn't sure what it was and needed a very convincing description.
As has been frequently brought up on occasion: "The Silence Is Deafening!".
Many of our Experts have been here and not refuted or competed with your ID. : goggles: That's good enough for me.
I was leaning to the what I believed to be the "One Off" Albatros W2, but the nose shape definitely looks like the W1 to me.
If I squint and blur my eyes I will probably see anything suggested to me or just pass out!

Feel free to post BCFC Nr.505 whenever you find your "Roundtuit".
I will take full responsibility. I'll probably get fired!

Congratulations on your latest KILL and Thanks to all for playing.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. Sometimes it takes me a whole week!

P.S.S. Why are you still up????
Did someone miss their "Nap Time"?

[YavorD]

Originally Posted by Ransom E. Olds

Yavor: Is the starter pictured in Davis's book the Hucks starter? ...

I remembered this particular picture because it is funny. The DH.14 Okapi was quite big, so a self-propelled starter was positioned on a half-bed truck.
I am going to look for it tonight.
Regards,
Yavor

[Flamingo]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

NOTE: Out of All of the Aces with a score of 25 or higher:

"59.70 Flamingo ¤ ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
58.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ ¤ Nr.I Wing Man ¤
40.60 Froggy ¤
33.15 Lodzermensch ¤
32.30 Rbailey ¤
31.15 RichardB ¤
27.00 Breguet ¤"

Only Bruno has posted an answer here!

Why shall I post if I have nothing new to say!