Lvg c.viii!?

[maze]

Hello all,

does anyone of you know,
1. if the L.V.G. C.VIII ever goes beyond project stage; was a prototype built?
2. the basic dimensions of this plane?

Thank you

Marcus

[Varese2002]

The L.V.G. C.VIII was the final two-seater reconnaissance aeroplane from that firm.

Infromation and pictures can be found in the Putnam volume of Peter Gray and Owen Thetford - German aircraft of the first world war.

Kees

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi Maze:
First of all there had to be more than one LVG C.VIII ordered and built. IDflieg almost always ordered three promising machines built, one for strength testing, a second for flight testing at Alderhof and to be sent to the front for evaluation and the third prototype to be held at the manufactures factory for developement testing and manufacturing model. The prototypes were completed about August 1918.
The LVG.C.VIII: Engine 240 Ps Benz BzIVü engine; Span, 13.0m (42' 7 7/8"); Length, 7.0m (22'11 5/8"); Height, 2.8m (9' 2 1/4"); Empty wt., 975kg (2145lbs); loaded wt. 1380 kg, (3036lbs); airspeed, 165 km/hr, (103.125mph); flight duration 4 hrs; armament, one fixed synchronized Spandau and one Parabellum. There is no evidence this machine went into production, In all probability it testing most likely took place before the war ended, but not in time for the orders to be place for production.
There were several other C Class machines in the same boat, one of these was the DFW C.VII with the BMWIIIa engine it was a high flyer, in a test on 5 November 1919 it reached 7600m, (24900 ft.)
Blue skies Maze,
Dan-San

[maze]

Hi Dan-San,

thanks a lot for your information, especially the dimensions!

The background of my question might be off-topic to theaerodrome: there are contradictionary sources about the development of the limousine LVG P.II, some say the base was the LVG C.VI others the LVG C.VIII. Based on the dimension you provided, I'm now pretty sure that it was the C.VIII, whereas C.VI's were converted to P.I's.

As I have no photo of the C.VIII, here's the P.II for comparison:

[Source: Flugsport 21/1919]

Do you have information about the further/post-war fate of the C.VIII? It would be interesting to know, if one C.VIII was directly converted to the one and only P.II, or if only the design of the C.VIII served as a base for the P.II.

Thank you and greetings from foggy Vienna

Marcus

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi Marcus:
Looking at the LVG P.II, I would say it was definetely based on the LVG.C.VI, not the C.VIII. You can find side view photo of the LVG.C.VIII in GERMAN COMBAT PLANES by Ray Wagner and Heinz Nowarra, page 37, and a rear view in GERMAN AIRCRAFT OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR, by Peter Gray & Owen Thetford, on page 484.
Blue skies Marcus,
Dan-San

[richard B]

A 3-views from "Der deutsche Luftverkehr-Die pionierjahre 1919-1925"
by Wolfgang Wagner .

For pilot +2 passengers.
span :13,0m
length : 7,0m
W.area : 33,6m2
weights:900/1380kg

[maze]

Hello Dan-San & Richard,

thanks, your information helped a lot, to proceed!

In contemporary and recent literature, the type itself and the dimensions of P.I and P.II were mixed up:
C.VI - length 7.43 m
C.VIII - length 7.00 m
P.I - length 7.43 m: [IFW, Luftfahrt]
P.II - length 7.00 m: [IFW, Luftfahrt, Wagner]
P.II - length 7.43 m: [Der Motorwagen]

The only way to figure that out, would be to measure the length, based on sharp, real photos...

Basically, there were 3 different civil versions: P.I w/o cabin, P.I w/ cabin & hatch and P.II w/ cabin & door

We can see on this beautiful line-up of post-war LVG's (summer 1919)

left: P.II, center: surviving C.VIII (shape of the trailing edge of the upped wing, engine/cooler), right: P.I (I think, I see a whiff of a cabin)

Have a good day
Marcus

[richard B]

In the above mentioned book ,I read :

C VI ( P I ) 7,43m length
C VIII ( P II ) 7,00m length ....

I think ,the " P II " picture above is a P I
In fact , I don't believe having ever seen a P II picture .
It seems ,the P II had the fin/rudder of the C VIII.

In "Der Luftweg" 1919 there is a pic of " L.V.G prämiterten Präzisionflugzeugmodelle" showing P II with the C VIII fin/rudder .
They were built using original L.V.G material.

[richard B]

From "Luftweg 1919 ",the pic showing the "Präzision Modell " of L.V.G P II
made using LVG documents.
Not only the tail ,but the wing ,are those of the C VIII .
Note the various cabine's arrangement

[maze]

Salut Richard
merci++
Marcus