Breguet's ID challenge #655

[richard B]

Bonsoir à tous
Another easy one








The scoreboard at the end of Challenge #654:Goedecker B Type 1914 Two-bay Biplane

120.20 Varese2002 ¤
86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
74.80 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
21.20 richard B
20.70 Aquilius
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
16.70 Lodzermensch
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher


Previous challenges :
Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

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[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

This one looks like the earlier model of Nieuport 12 – it is distinguished by semicircular (or horseshoe if you like) cowling. Sesquiplane layout, V-shaped interplane struts which were not parallel as distinct from Nieuport 10, Clarget engine, celluloid panel above pilot’s post and Étévé gun mounting are another characteristic features of this type.

Regards

Marek

[FOKKERJ]

Greetings Richard and Marek,

You guys look familiar!

It looks like the Siemens-Schuckert D.I "Stretch Limo" version!

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

P.S. Then again, it could be a Nieuport 10 with the "Horse Shoe" shaped cowl versus the Ni. 12 with either that or the fully round cowl.

[richard B]

Bonjour à tous .

I don't know much about french aircraft ,so I must rely on the ID of the picture, and my book says : Marek is right .More it's clearly not a single seater : it's not a Nieuport 10 ,but Nieuport 12 two seater .
Congratulation ,and thanks FokkerJ for participating .


The scoreboard at the end of Challenge #655: NIEUPORT 12 .

120.20 Varese2002 ¤
86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
74.80 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
21.20 richard B
20.70 Aquilius
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
17.70 Lodzermensch
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

Thanks Fellows. I think some inaccuracy must have been explained here.

More it's clearly not a single seater : it's not a Nieuport 10 ,but Nieuport 12 two seater

Richard,

Actually Nieuport 10 was not a single-seater or I have omitted something reading my books.

In fact, the most visible difference between N.10 and N.12 was the outward rake of interplane struts and the arrangement of the armament in the latter.

In conclusion – here is a photo of Nieuport 12 produced by Beardmore. This picture is published in Nieuport Aircraft of World War One by Ray Sanger – an excellent and comprehensive source of information on Nieuports. There are neither drawings nor color profiles so revered by modelers but the book is full of brilliant photos printed in high quality.

Regards

Marek

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Lodzermensch

Hello,

Thanks Fellows. I think some inaccuracy must have been explained here.



Richard,

Actually Nieuport 10 was not a single-seater or I have omitted something reading my books.

In fact, the most visible difference between N.10 and N.12 was the outward rake of interplane struts and the arrangement of the armament in the latter.

In conclusion – here is a photo of Nieuport 12 produced by Beardmore. This picture is published in Nieuport Aircraft of World War One by Ray Sanger – an excellent and comprehensive source of information on Nieuports. There are neither drawings nor color profiles so revered by modelers but the book is full of brilliant photos printed in high quality.




Regards

Marek

Thanks Marek.

Help me.... I don't see the difference between these two machines(?).

Cheers, FOKKERJ

OK, OK.... Yes, I see that one has Eisenkreuse, no machine gun for the Observer, and the tailskid is about a meter off of the earth!

[Rbailey]

I haven't seen another picture of a 10 with that type of transparent cut-out in the top wing, but it is quite typical of the 12. Is Fokkerj's picture correctly identified or did some 10's also have that feature?

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

Help me.... I don't see the difference between these two machines(?)

Gentlemen,

Both pictures show the same type - an early Nieuport 12. That is why there is no difference between them. Sorry if I did not clear up this in my previous post.

Regards

Marek

[richard B]

Bonjour

My source was William Green's book about fighters of the world .
In fact ,I didn't read it carefully enough
For Green , Ni 10 was at first two seater and later single seater.
The outward rake of the interplane struts is well illustrated in the 3-views .

Thanks for the info .

Richard

[John McKenzie]

Hello ..Look again at the photos of the two aircraft close together ...I would say that the lower one ( in British markings ) ..has for its lower wings , a slightly longer ( by one rib bay ) overhang , outboard of the interplane strut attachment point than the machine in German markings ....
What do you all see here ? JM