Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #664

[YavorD]

Ladies and Gentleman,
Another perky bird for your consideration.
Designer and type designation is a minimum requirement as usual. Provision of additional information will be greatly appreciated.
Good hunting!
Yavor

The scoreboard after challenge #663 - Nielsen & Winther Typ Bd

120.30 Varese2002
86.20 Dave_Kent
74.80 Rbailey
33.30 Cruze
24.00 richard B
21.70 Aquilius
20.20 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
17.80 Lodzermensch
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours
04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Maze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 SCMc
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Varese2002]

Great tractor biplane, with a characteristic wing design (no stagger, very wide gap between the wings). This is one of those myriad USA biplanes which appeared during the 1914-1917 period in the USA. To give an 'educated guess', this might be one of the tractor biplanes of Matty Laird.

When pressed I would date this machine at 1916.

Kees

[YavorD]

No Laird, Kees!
It comes from a well known stable and is somewhat earlier than 1916.
Regards,
Yavor

[Breguet]

Something about it says Caudron to me but as is all too often the case I'm probably in error!

[Aquilius]

Good show, Yavor!

Was not a bad idea to give you the host.


I really like this cute plane, even if I remain totally stumped with it.

I do agree with Breguet, the in-between placed fuse has some Caudron resembalance. But I had also Caproni im mind.
And I'd say rather 1914 if it is a european machine?



Cheers

Aquilius

[YavorD]

Well, you are cruising around but who is going to deliver coup de grâce?
According to my source, it was built in Rue during the first weeks of 1914.
Regards,
Yavor

[richard B]

Bonjour

It could be the Caudron O :

The clues :
Caudron like front fuselage ,little span/length ,Anzani engine .


1914 sport biplane ,only one built
1x Anzani 90 (?)hp ,
span 7,4m ,
length 5,0 m

[FOKKERJ]

Bonjour,



I don't know, but it looks like a Fokker-Bristol-SPAD Scout to me.

It definetly looks French to me, wings and struts, Bristol Scout tail, and the Fokker looking fuselage and cowling.

You Kids have fun... Color me GONE!

G'Nite, FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger

P.S. I want one!

Yep, Probably a Caudron.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

Bonjour

It could be the Caudron O :

The clues :
Caudron like front fuselage ,little span/length ,Anzani engine .


1914 sport biplane ,only one built
1x Anzani 90 (?)hp ,
span 7,4m ,
length 5,0 m

To complicate matters we have already encountered a 1917 machine named Caudron O in the Breguet Challenge ID at #188 here

Kees

[YavorD]

Hello challengers!
The true designation of the aeroplane from Challenge #188 remains a mystery for me. Either "O2" or "02" is different aeroplane, however.
The fun part of the round 664 is almost over now but this little bird had some history, albeit short. Anyone willing to give further details?
Otherwise I will come back within three or four hours with decision about point distribution, some details and sources.
Regards,
Yavor