dispite title-picture of Transported "German" aircraft picture?

PFFF · 17 January 2010, 03:51 AM

Photos of The Great War - War in the Skies/Members of the Lafayette Escadrille

dismantled for transport?
Any idea of make/model aircraft?

SCMc · 17 January 2010, 06:27 AM

Hello PFFF,

Are you sure that you posted the correct link? The photo is of members of the Lafayette Escadrille. There are vehicles in the background, but I don't see any aircraft, German or otherwise.

Steve

PFFF · 17 January 2010, 06:37 AM

Try Photos of The Great War - War in the Skies/Transporting German plane

Patrick · 17 January 2010, 08:31 AM

Looks like one of the LVG B-types (I, II or III). Teardrop gravity tank, shape of the tail, square cross section fuselage, A-struts supporting the upper wing. They were used as trainers, could be a picture of a recovery from a farm field after a student landing gone wrong.

Flamingo · 17 January 2010, 10:19 PM

This is an Euler B type, some call it B.I

Luftfahrtmuseum August Euler

the Putnam book calls it a B.II.

It is a copy of the LVG B.I but has a different nose, the top longerons don't bend down, the line between metal and fabric is vertical and there are a couple of louvres. Not visible on the picture are different ailerons without the LVG bend.

Thanks for the nice picture!

Varese2002 · 17 January 2010, 10:44 PM

As recognition of the myriad German biplane reconnaissance / training planes is exceedingly difficult, I had a try at this one. Till now I have not come to a very reasoned conclusion, mainly because of the form of the elevator which looks quite special. This may have to something with the transportation ?

Regarding the Euler B I see some details which do not necessarily fit in with the Euler B type (also licence produced by Otto). Their is protuding at the front an exhaust tube and another tube is coming out just before the louvres.

It is also remarkable that no military markings (Eisernes Kreuz , numbering) is to be seen. It maybe that the print is censored / doctored.

Euler B.I 3538/15 licence built by Otto. This one had a small radiator at the side of the fuselage, at least at the left side. Very heavy construction of the tailskid.

Kees

Flamingo · 18 January 2010, 02:08 AM

Kees

your profile from Propellerblatt shows a C.I!

The lack of national markings could be explained by the missing wings and rudder. The scene seems to be at the front, on the bonnet of the car is an inscription which might read "Fl.Abt. 18" and a "2" for second car?

Otto built the LVG B.I under licence, never read about Euler types being built by another manufacturer.

Varese2002 · 18 January 2010, 10:20 AM

Hi Joachim, I had the drawing probably incorrectly marked as an Euler B.I

You are right on the marking on the Schlepwagen - Fl.Abt 18 2 (whatever it might mean, I leave it to the specialists)

Found another picture of an Euler B-type (hope I have the caption correct). I clearly could see the tube at the front also visible in the picture in this thread.

As this picture gives some detail of the fuselage there are more pipes protuding from that fuselage.

I am still puzzled about the form of the elevator, which as I said may have something to do with the transportation, but I cannot envisage the rather standard elevator of the Euler B-type.

Kees

Patrick · 18 January 2010, 12:37 PM

Hi Kees, I also thought the elevator looked odd, more like the elevator/stabilizer from a Fokker Dr.I. Then I realized that it's slightly raised (as if the plane is climbing, perhaps the stick is tied back for transport). If you drop it until it's level with the horizontal stabilizer, it will appear as the standard LVG/Euler form.

Joachim nailed this one -- I was also confused about the sheet metalwork for the nose, especially since it lacked the slanted edge where it joins the aft part of the fuselage, an LVG B-series characteristic.

Cigogne · 18 January 2010, 02:57 PM

The Euler was structurally different in the fuselage area than the LVG... totally different than the "System Schneider." The fuselage structure employed a metal girder type of construction fretted with holes. It looked a lot like Meccano erector-set type of girders. It did not have the slanted nose contours of the LVG, but rather flat semi-elliptical shape w/ the engine bearers running longitudinally. If you were to compare between the two, you'd see a very different type of construction between them.