Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #713

[Varese2002]

Ohh ... excuses Allinio , I found a whole book on El Cerrito in the US series of Images of America (ISBN 9780738530284).

There is a picture of a biplane of Allinio on Silas Christofferson Field which can be seen here.

Cheers

Kees

[Dave_Kent]

How about the Allison-White biplane? It’s of the right period and did have an open frame fuselage. Beyond that, I know little of it other than it had a Gnome engine, (can’t tell on the Challenge machine) and that it crashed on its first take-off.

Dave

[Varese2002]

Looking at the picture of this machine I see an enormous radiator (just in front of the pilot) and an inline 4-cylinder engine. No rotary here, so no Allison-White, sorry (would have loved to know how it looked like).

Although the machine is a rarity there is even another picture of it, although of very mediocre quality --- It looks that the engine and radiator were not yet installed here.



For the record the designer of this 1916 plane built at least 7 (seven !) different types during his time.

Cheers

Kees

[albatros1234]

would it not be considered a triplane, although the middle airfoil is not a complete wing? this is a very hard one.

[Aquilius]

Originally Posted by albatros1234

would it not be considered a triplane, although the middle airfoil is not a complete wing? this is a very hard one.

Not a triplane!

The "middle airfoil" are rudders. These interplane-ailerons were quite common in the US before 1917. And you may find this solution at several types among most of the major manufacturers during that time.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Varese2002]

These inter-wing constructions were balancing planes for lateral control.

Other methods used were wing warping, sliding panels, vertical surfaces ("screens").

In biplanes the rigid structure permits auxiliary planes (wing tips) to be easily provided. This was done in the Farman, Cody, Dufaux, Neale, Goupy, Curtiss, Sommer and Voisin types (and a lot more).

A disadvantage was the added drag and the extra lift produced by the balancing planes. Wing warping on the other hand weakened the structure of the wing by the constant bending.

The engineer has to choose a method with its pro's and con's as it mostly goes in the real world.

Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

A small hint is necessary, this machine originates from one of the more southern states in the USA. The trees in the background could be red cedars.

Have a good search

I think the US members of this forum can do this as they are first on the terrain ....not necessarily the Europeans.

Cheers

Kees

[ckingh5]

Before reading the following please assume southern drawl.

THe plane is the 1916 Biplane constructed Ben T. Epps, Sr. from the Great State of Georgia. Disginguishing features are the open lattice fuselage, mid-bay airlerons and the vertical mounted radiator. Mr Epps Sr. was the first citizen of the Graet State of Georgia to ever build and fly an aeroplane.

Okay you can drop the bad southern accent.

By the way Kees, none of the trees in the background are cedars as none appear to be evergreens

[Varese2002]

Right you are Chris, right on the mark. Benjamin Thomas Epps (1888-1937) built and flew his first machine in 1907. This machine was the subject of the Bréguet Pre-1914 Challenge #120.

As a European I had first to search out where the State of Georgia exactly was within the USA, and cedars were given as the most frequent tree. Probably not in the background of this picture.

So the point goes to Chris / ckingh5.

Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

Correct identification

Biplane designed and built by Benjamin Thomas Epps in 1916 in the State of Georgia

The score at the end of Challenge #713

129.90 Varese2002 ¤¤
93.00 Dave_Kent ¤
81.20 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze ¤
29.70 richard B ¤
24.70 Aquilius
21.20 YavorD
20.80 Lodzermensch
20.35 Froggy
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
10.45 GregE
09.50 matte_kudasai
09.00 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Maze
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
04.00 sobrien
03.90 Brad
03.00 SCMc
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.25 Ermeio Congratulations
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Challenge #714

It's all in the hands of Chris, sure it will be a worthy model where the experts are clenching their teeth

Cheers

Kees