Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1032

[Rod_Filan]

Scoreboard (corrected) at the conclusion of Challenge #1031: First built Italian Caproni heavy bomber triplane identified during WWI as the Caproni Ca.4 which later became the Caproni Ca.40 through redesignation by Caproni in 1937.

154.10 Dave_Kent
153.40 Varese2002
133.95 Rbailey
60.10 richard B
40.00 Aquilius
36.55 Lodzermensch
33.30 Cruze
29.58 Rod Filan
26.40 YavorD
22.70 Tork1945
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Jim
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Challenges are here: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point.
6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET.

Submitted for your approval. A rubber cow of the Holstein variety.
As usual, a full and complete identification will be required to earn the entire point.



Good Luck!

[Douglas7]

It is a British Blimp C-class. Big but not a Dirigible...

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Douglas7

It is a British Blimp C-class.

Not British. Coastal-class – C, C-Star, and finally the North Sea class – were built to the system of the legendary Spanish engineer Leonardo Torres Quevedo. They had tri-lobed hulls with an internal suspension. This is not an Astra-Torres type of any nation.

Big but not a Dirigible...

If by a "dirigible" (steerable), you mean rigid with an internal framework like a Zeppelin, then yes, no it isn't. Although, like a Zeppelin having several individual gas cells, the envelope here is sectioned into compartments. Twelve in fact.


Cheers

[Dave_Kent]

Well, to me it looks like an Italian semi-rigid, maybe a Forlanini. It’s not the F 6, as the upper vertical fin is the wrong shape. As I’ve only seen photos of the F 6, I’ll have to guess that it’s the F 5, which did have 12 gas cells. It was produced in 1917.

Dave

[Rod_Filan]

You have a good eye Dave, yet this is not anything created by the great engineer-statesman Enrico Forlanini. However, the F.5 had almost the exact same dimensions as the challenge airship – so you're in the ballpark. BTW, except for engines (2 vs. 4), the F.5 specs (and general appearance) were almost identical to the F.6 – the F.5 being the slightly larger of the two. The way to tell them apart is by the gondola. The F.6 having the noticeably longer, more streamlined car.




Cheers

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

Well, to me it looks like an Italian semi-rigid, maybe a Forlanini. It’s not the F 6, as the upper vertical fin is the wrong shape. As I’ve only seen photos of the F 6, I’ll have to guess that it’s the F 5, which did have 12 gas cells. It was produced in 1917.

Dave

This is the Forlanini F.5 which IMO does not comply with the Challenge picture.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

The camouflage pattern looks like the Italian Citta di Jesi (originally V.1), which was shot down in 1915. See http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citt%C3%A0_di_Jesi

[Rod_Filan]

Nicely done Ron. You located the only photo one might find of the port side of the partially sunken airship to which the camouflage pattern can be matched with. Otherwise there are a few taken of the starboard side. I really thought this challenge would be more difficult considering how rare photographs of this airship fully inflated must be, however with that particular photograph to gauge against, it becomes only a matter of time.

V. 1 "Città di Jesi" was a semirigid (keel-girder of triangular trellis-work within the hull) military airship designed by engineer Capt. Rodolfo Verduzio. The initial V likely stands for Verduzio, or perhaps even for "veloce" (fast). Specifications: length 90 m, diameter 19 m, volume 14,650 cubic meters in 12 compartments, ballonet volume 4,800 cubic meters; motors, four Maybach-Italia D.I of 180 hp each, actuated two propellers, speed 90 km/h. Designed endurance, 15 hrs at full speed and 2,000 m altitude. The V. 1, under the Regia Marina (Italian Royal Navy), carried out a single combat mission, on the night of August 5-6, 1915, against Pola: hit by flak, fell into the sea and then sank. The crew was taken prisoner by an Austrian torpedo boat and the airship towed ashore. According to Ladislas D'Orcy the V. 1 was works No. 10 built at the Army Airship Works, Vigna di Valle (Rome) in 1914; and its trials made in February 1915.

Another Verduzio V-type, the V. 2, was built by the Nobile firm in 1915 as the sister-ship to the V. 1. It was an almost exact duplicate and served with the Regia Marina until dismounted in September 1917. No other examples of this model were constructed but Verduzio went on to design and build many other semirigids in the near term.

Verduzio airships V. 1 "Città di Jesi" and V. 2 were the 23rd and 24th Italian airships built.

Point and next challenge to Rbailey.

Scoreboard at the conclusion of Challenge #1032: the Verduzio semirigid keel airship V. 1 "Città di Jesi".

154.10 Dave_Kent
153.40 Varese2002
134.95 Rbailey
60.10 richard B
40.00 Aquilius
36.55 Lodzermensch
33.30 Cruze
29.58 Rod Filan
26.40 YavorD
22.70 Tork1945
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Jim
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher