Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1043

[Tork1945]

A new type in the Challenge. Please tell something more than only the identification....

Tork1945

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #1043:

157.10 Dave_Kent
153.40 Varese2002
136.95 Rbailey
60.10 richard B
40.40 Aquilius
36.55 Lodzermensch
33.30 Cruze
29.58 Rod Filan
26.40 YavorD
25.70 Tork1945
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET.

[Dave_Kent]

Based on the inter-wing fuselage position, unique vertical tail and I struts, this is the prototype of the Priessel (Priesel) KFP fighter.

It was designed by Oberleutnant Guido Priessel (Priesel) who had been released from service to work on aircraft designs. Priesssel was killed in a crash on 20 March 1918 and the KFP was turned over to Major von Petroczy to prepare it for flight trials. The machine flew in early April 1918, but based on wind tunnel testing in early August 1918, redesign was undertaken. Changes included, among other things, a new tail and the replacing of wing-warping with ailerons. In 1920 the KFP was offered to Czechoslovakia.

Dave

[Aquilius]

Dave was right on the mark!

Only, has your S-key jammed ?

Guido Priesel had only one "s" in his name. And the abbreviation should read "KEP" (Kampf-Einsitzer Priesel).

Some additional facts: The machine was built in the Wieland workshops in Vienna early in 1918. It was powered by a fully enclosed 145hp Hiero engine. In his brief entry Keimel told it had a "special aileron control".

The free mounted wings give the impression the whole wing was mouvable around the single upright strut. But I believe the warping was done by the oblique strut, that bend the front and rear part of the upper and lower wing.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

Correct name of the aircraft in question is KEP that stands for Kampfeinsitzer Priesel.

Regards

Marek

[Breguet]

Well Tork1945,

I couldn't let this ocassion slip by......I believe congratulations are in order as well as an order being in order! (You have got to love the English language!!)

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Breguet

Well Tork1945,

I couldn't let this ocassion slip by......I believe congratulations are in order as well as an order being in order! (You have got to love the English language!!)

Vielen Dank für den Orden Herr Breguet, sicherlich verstehen and schreiben Sie die deutsche Sprache ausgezeichnet!

Tork1945

[Tork1945]

Exactly, the Kampfeinsitzer designed by Oberleutnant Guido Priesel.

Priesel was no newbie in aeroplane design as he designed and built - as a graduate engineer - two machines prewar. In his time of service with Flars [Fliegerarsenal] during 1915 till his death in 1918 he designed and partly built a monoplane (not finished) and lastly he realized this Kampfeinsitzer (literally 'Battle single seater').

In meantime Priesel invented and patented at Flars for instance a synchronization system for machine guns, although I have not been able to locate the Austrian patents yet.

The wing construction of the KEP was extraordinary as the top wing had no connection to the fuselage and was only connected to the lower wing via the single struts. Flars judged the wing construction as dangerous enough to prohibit military fliers to fly the machine! So the machine was flown by a civilian pilot.

In 1920 the KEP was offered to Czechoslovakia

It would be interesting to see the evidence for this statement - given by Grosz, Haddow and Schiemer - as this offering would be quite remarkable, because

• the peace terms decreed that all aircraft had to be handed over to the Commision Aéronautique Interalliée de contrôle en Autriche and destroyed
• it would not be a generous gesture of the Austrian government to offer this machine to Czechoslovakia as military fliers were not allowed to fly it in 1918. Especially as Czechoslovakia was before 1918 part of the Austro-hungarian empire

Tork1945

[Tork1945]

Correct identification

The KEP [Kampfeinsitzer Priesel] designed by Guido Priesel from Austro-hungary, 1918


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #1043:

158.10 Dave_Kent
153.40 Varese2002
136.95 Rbailey
60.10 richard B
40.40 Aquilius
36.55 Lodzermensch
33.30 Cruze
29.58 Rod Filan
26.40 YavorD
25.70 Tork1945
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Challenge #1044 is in the hands of Mr. Dave_Kent.