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Old 6 August 2012, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1045

A little something for your consideration.

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #1044: Curtiss HS 1L

158.10 Dave_Kent
153.40 Varese2002
137.95 Rbailey
60.10 richard B
40.40 Aquilius
36.55 Lodzermensch
33.30 Cruze
29.58 Rod Filan
26.40 YavorD
25.70 Tork1945
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point.
6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET.
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Old 7 August 2012, 12:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Based on the open fuselage, undercarriage and wing structure, this looks like the Harriman biplane.

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Old 7 August 2012, 12:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Are you referring to the Harriman biplane in Aerofiles? No matter, it is not a Harriman of any kind.
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Old 7 August 2012, 10:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I presume we are looking at a one-off biplane originating from South- or Middle America. The uncovered back of the fuselage was little seen in 1914 or thereabout.

Although a bad picture / scan, I seem to see an extra elevator at the tail or is this part of an aileron fitted between the wings.

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Old 8 August 2012, 09:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Do not assume that I always post oddball machines from the south. Agreed the picture is bad - it is the only one I have found for this. The "extra elevator" is most likely a mid-gap aileron - I have a reason to believe that, although nothing like a picture or description to confirm it.
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Old 8 August 2012, 09:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Uncovered fuselage and mid-gap aileron are often features of American machines of 1914 / 15.

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Old 8 August 2012, 06:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's not American-It is, I beleive English, and it may be a Handley Page. about 1914
but I cannot find any references...
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Old 9 August 2012, 06:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Actually, it is American.
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Old 9 August 2012, 12:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It reminds me of the Max Lille tractor designed by Vought. The machine may be related, perhaps the rebuild by Frank Pendhayn. If not directly related it may still be from the Chicago area.

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Old 9 August 2012, 01:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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They do have a lot of similarities, but so far as I know there was no connection, and it is not from Chicago or environs.
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