Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1047

[Aquilius]

Welcome to the Breguet Aircraft ID Challenge No.1047!

It seems there are few contenders enjoying the summer holidays. For all others, spotlight on the new target:

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #1046: Boeing Model C - 4 of 1916

159.10 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
137.95 Rbailey ☼☼☼
60.10 richard B ☼☼
41.40 Aquilius ☼
36.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
29.58 Rod Filan ☼
26.40 YavorD ☼
25.70 Tork1945 ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point.
6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET.

Have a good hunt!

Aquilius

[Dave_Kent]

The top wing seems to have some sweep back and to be of longer span. It also has a visible kingpost. The nose seems short and to house an inline engine. The vertical tail surface / rudder has been retouched. The machine may be an Aviatik B. I type P. 14.

Dave

[Aquilius]

I had expected such an answer...


Only Alex Imrie is in error here. This biplane is not an Aviatik machine!
And the rudder has not suffered from retouching! (something one might follow closer... )

Then we are not in Metz, but in another place the Breguet Challenge(s) have not met before.


You have to try again.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Dave_Kent]

Well, from what I can see in another photo, the tail looks closer to the 1913 Union biplane, which also has the longer span upper wing and the sweep back.

Dave

[Aquilius]

I am sorry. No Union.




Aquilius

[Froggy]

Bonsoir

Seems to be a "Taube" type -considering shape of the rudder, may be
an Albatros Taube Doppeldecker ??
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archi...ALBx2taube.jpg

Bruno

[Dave_Kent]

I'm also still digging and would like to suggest the Mars "Pfeil" biplane. It has the right general shape and saw service early in the war.

Dave

[Aquilius]

We are still not there yet.

It is not an Albatros or a DFW of any kind.

And you don't need to search further in the Berlin area.
But the good news I can give at the moment: Germany is the right country!



keep digging!

Aquilius

[Rbailey]

Could it be a Flugwerk Deutschland Pfeil doppeldecker, perhaps the Daimler engined one of 1912? Rudders of some F.D. machines had a similarity.

[Rod_Filan]

That was my guess as well Ron.

It was challenge #938
L.F.G. Pfeil Doppeldecker (1914) [aka LFG Roland]

err, nevermind. I see you're meaning a DFW Pfeil Doppeldecker ...I think
Cheers