D.VII Double Portrait Start to Finish

[AAC Cadet Leader]

and i am still so very pleased to have this commision!



note: these photos show the painting still in the rough stages! every inch of this painting will be painted over in more detail, so...

[AAC Cadet Leader]

[Butch]

What is the nominal height of a D7 wheel? Where does that come up to on a human's leg?
Pete

[AAC Cadet Leader]

Originally Posted by Butch

What is the nominal height of a D7 wheel?

my guess would be somewhere around 22 inches.

Where does that come up to on a human's leg?
Pete

right about here...

[Russell Smith]

Martha -

P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E

Although I like the new positioning of the hangars, the new figures in the background put the perspective into, well, perspective. See comment #71 again.

russ

[AAC Cadet Leader]

Originally Posted by Russell Smith

Martha -

P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E

Although I like the new positioning of the hangars, the new figures in the background put the perspective into, well, perspective. See comment #71 again.

russ

russ,
are you saying that i need to lift the tail of the D.VII ? or are do you think i have planted the people in the hangar too high? or too low?? huh, i thought i had planted them just right. your opinion counts times ten.

[Russell Smith]

Regarding the figures - ignore my crazed rantings. Looking at them initially, they seemed to be placed way too high in comparison to the subject figures. However, I drew in a horizon line (horizontal red line), and saw that they are pretty close to being correct. They're not dead on, mind you, but they're close enough that you can you can probably get away with it. Just to double check the horizon level, I drew lines down the leading edges of the DVII wings (converging red lines) and brought them out to a vanishing point. They converge at a point that is right where the horizon appears to be in the photo, so you nailed that.

looks like you do need to fix the hangar on the right, though. if you bring those lines to a vanishing point (yellow lines) they meet at a point on a second horizon line (horizontal yellow line) WAY above your "true" horizon line.

Russ

[AAC Cadet Leader]

Originally Posted by Russell Smith

Regarding the figures - ignore my crazed rantings. Looking at them initially, they seemed to be placed way too high in comparison to the subject figures. However, I drew in a horizon line (horizontal red line), and saw that they are pretty close to being correct. They're not dead on, mind you, but they're close enough that you can you can probably get away with it. Just to double check the horizon level, I drew lines down the leading edges of the DVII wings (converging red lines) and brought them out to a vanishing point. They converge at a point that is right where the horizon appears to be in the photo, so you nailed that.

looks like you do need to fix the hangar on the right, though. if you bring those lines to a vanishing point (yellow lines) they meet at a point on a second horizon line (horizontal yellow line) WAY above your "true" horizon line.

Russ

russ,
great input! very much appreciated! i love that you have drawn it out with the red and yellow lines. that helps me a lot.

BUT, please re-draw the top yellow line the way i have it actually painted it. the top horizontal portion of the roofline on the right hangar is painted about 5 - 10 degrees different than you have drawn it. remember, as my art patron told me and mailed me a blueprint diagram showing that these two hangars sit at right angles to each other, so we now have two vanishing points. the second one is off in the diection of your lower two yellow lines. if you redraw the top yellow line, the point at which they intersect will intersect the proper vanishing point for the frontage of that hangar on the right as it relates to the viewer. i believe it is dead on as it is painted now. if not, it is really, really close.

also, i think you could lower the bottom yellow line a couple -three degrees to more accurately reflect what i have painted.

i am at kinkos on my lunch break now, so i can't draw it out and scan it now, but when i get home very late tonight after our weekly studio life modeling session, i'll try to post a scan of a hand-drawn pencil sketch of what i mean - that is, unless you come up with it first.

[Russell Smith]

Originally Posted by AAC Cadet Leader

russ,
great input! very much appreciated! i love that you have drawn it out with the red and yellow lines. that helps me a lot.

BUT, please re-draw the top yellow line the way i have it actually painted it. the top horizontal portion of the roofline on the right hangar is painted about 5 - 10 degrees different than you have drawn it. remember, as my art patron told me and mailed me a blueprint diagram showing that these two hangars sit at right angles to each other, so we now have two vanishing points. the second one is off in the diection of your lower two yellow lines. if you redraw the top yellow line, the point at which they intersect will intersect the proper vanishing point for the frontage of that hangar on the right as it relates to the viewer. i believe it is dead on as it is painted now. if not, it is really, really close.

also, i think you could lower the bottom yellow line a couple -three degrees to more accurately reflect what i have painted.

i am at kinkos on my lunch break now, so i can't draw it out and scan it now, but when i get home very late tonight after our weekly studio life modeling session, i'll try to post a scan of a hand-drawn pencil sketch of what i mean - that is, unless you come up with it first.

I think you're misinterpreting my lines (easy to do, i didn't explain them well). On the first image, the top line is the "second" horizon line created by the converging lines of your right hangar. Now take a look at the second diagram. Unless i am misinterpreting your lines (and I don't think I am) they should merge at a point on the "true" horizon just as the red lines do, not way up above the "true" horizon.

Russ

[AAC Cadet Leader]

ahhhh, yes. you are so smart, russ! thank you!! i see it now. i'm gonna head down to the studio now. if i have time to do some tweaking on it tonight, i'll post the changes when i get home. boy is this great to have instant expert feedback as i progress on this.