Spwith Pup

[Russell Smith]

Originally Posted by Terrencejones

I claim pilot error

This is the model and as you can see the horizontal stabalizer is correct, unlke my drawing. It proves the point I was making earlier that it wont be the APM at fault. I thought the h. stab. was a little too high so I dropped it a little and neglected to check it out properly. Although it doesn't look too bad its worth putting right.
I appreciate the help guys. Let me know If there is anything else you spot.
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Cheers Terry

Its good that you recognize the inherent problem of any perspective procedure - that being artist's error. For a brief period I stopped using my eyes, so to speak, and depended solely on the measurement that the perspective numbers showed me. It took me a few failed attempts to remember that I'm an artist and that no perspective procedure can replace my eyes and my brain.

[Chock]

Originally Posted by Terrencejones

I appreciate the help guys. Let me know If there is anything else you spot.

Cheers Terry

Only if you really want me to. Personally, I'm trying to encourage you and thus, don't want to instantly leap on and highlight any and every mistake, nor immediately be critical of your efforts every time you post a picture, as I know that could be quite disheartening.

To some people, all this spatial perception stuff comes naturally, others have to work at it. I'm one of those lucky gits who could always draw well even when I was a little kid, probably helped by the fact that most of my family are artists, and I seem to recall that the first thing I ever drew well was a DC-3, so I've been drawing things with wings for the best part of 40 years. But I still went to art college to learn stuff in spite of having some ability, and we all keep on learning.

The encouraging thing is, you really do improve every time you do this kind of thing, and that is readily apparent in your sketches Terry. It's also good that you are aiming high and going for sketching quite technically demanding subject material too (anyone can draw a vase LOL). That will definitely push you to greater heights. Love your control with the pencil by the way, that really is where you clearly have a gift.

Al

[Terrencejones]

Originally Posted by Russell Smith

Its good that you recognize the inherent problem of any perspective procedure - that being artist's error. For a brief period I stopped using my eyes, so to speak, and depended solely on the measurement that the perspective numbers showed me. It took me a few failed attempts to remember that I'm an artist and that no perspective procedure can replace my eyes and my brain.

One of my favorite artist's is the late Frank Wooten. Technically speaking a lot of the aircraft in his paintings are incorrect, but the overall work of art is pure magic. He is the perfect example of painting by eye. He often sacrificed the technical in favor of the whole.

There isn't a substitute for the eye and brain and as RG Smith said if it doesn't look right then it isn't. The problem I have, is sometimes my own eyes and brain stop telling me the truth and start telling me what I want to know. It can take a fresh pair of eyes to point out even the most obvious of mistakes ( the wife has done it loads of times)

Terry

[Kaiser Bill]

Terry..found your PM quite by accident. We must talk about our other love (guitars) sometime soon. I hope you don't think I was ignoring you.

Kaiser Bill

[Terrencejones]

Originally Posted by Chock

Only if you really want me to. Personally, I'm trying to encourage you and thus, don't want to instantly leap on and highlight any and every mistake, nor immediately be critical of your efforts every time you post a picture, as I know that could be quite disheartening.

To some people, all this spatial perception stuff comes naturally, others have to work at it. I'm one of those lucky gits who could always draw well even when I was a little kid, probably helped by the fact that most of my family are artists, and I seem to recall that the first thing I ever drew well was a DC-3, so I've been drawing things with wings for the best part of 40 years. But I still went to art college to learn stuff in spite of having some ability, and we all keep on learning.

The encouraging thing is, you really do improve every time you do this kind of thing, and that is readily apparent in your sketches Terry. It's also good that you are aiming high and going for sketching quite technically demanding subject material too (anyone can draw a vase LOL). That will definitely push you to greater heights. Love your control with the pencil by the way, that really is where you clearly have a gift.

Al

Hi Chuck,
The first thing I remember drawing was a dog, I did it with a stone on the pavement in our back garden. I was heartbroken when the rain came and washed it away I learnt a very important lesson that day and that is; in future use paper and a pencil and dont leave your master pieces outdoors coz the weather in Manchester is shit!

Dont worry about highlighting any mistakes etc. I wont be disheartened. It's very much a learning process using the APM at the moment and bound to take some time to adjust to. It's great you and Russel have taken the time to look at the drawings and point out the error's. So far it just seem's to be a case of checking I have remained reasonably true to the math model. The pencil work is improving and there have been no issues with the shadows and hi lites etc

Cheers Terry

[Chock]

Well the weather in Manchester certainly doesn't look great today, which is unfortunate since I work there.

Al

[Ginger.]

Originally Posted by Chock

Well the weather in Manchester certainly doesn't look great today, which is unfortunate since I work there.

Al

Here's an idea.... convert all them beach balls you lot cobbed at Pepe Reina into swimming 'ats and it'll keep out the rain goodstyle.
Bet this one confuses our Yankee pals!

[Terrencejones]

The Pup fetish continues!

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There is apparently a common fault with most printers that a friend recently made me aware of. All of the drawings I have done using AMP have been done via a print out of the math model. They always seemed to have a slightly off skew appearance to them that I couldn't account for (sloppy drawing aside). The reason for it was the printer, it will not print a true picture. To test how far out my printer was, I drew a 4" square and printed it out to measure. It was almost a quarter of an inch higher! My friends printer does exactly the same. It isn't too difficult to compensate for it via photoshop or similar program with a scaling option. It's worth checking it out if you use your printer a lot for your art work.

Cheers Terry

[bristol scout]

Hi Terry,
The fact that I have only just come on this thread is beyond comprehension----when did it start?

Your pencil work looks spot on to me, remember that other exponent of pencil pictures of W.W.1 aeroplanes Leonard Bridgman?

As a long term Sopwith Pup builder and fan--I respectfully point out one thing which is not 'Pup'----Your rendition of the lower cowling (side shield)looks very much like the Shuttleworth 'Pup'----was this your 'original model' so to speak?

The Shuttleworth 'Pup' was never really a 'Pup' but a 'Dove' and as such inherited lot's of non standard bits-----wrong stringers aft of Aluminium---and wrong Aluminium side shields being the most obvious----which I see in your sketch----------unless i'm wrong mate!

Dave.

[Russell Smith]

Nicely done, Terrence. I like this one.