Methuen replacement

[berman]

I was hoping someone, with the expertise and money, would see this thread and produce the new chart with the reproductive art Epson acrylic printer (not to be confused with the small home style inkjet printers). However, if that is not going to happen, then the next best thing would be for someone who owns both a Methuen Handbook of Colour and Pantone set to produce a cross reference guide. This way when someone says the aircraft was painted mauve 15D4 Methuen, the average person could obtain an inexpensive Pantone set and find an equivalent matching color. If the Methuen/Pantone system is universally accepted then computer forums, kit manufacturers, Windsock, and other publishers can speak the same language.

[Sreiko]

Now I understand you. Basic problem is that it is not problem with the replicate of the same industrial match but reply on the origin paint. So it is better if anybody have the original sample of paint to make this conversion then to make conversion from one system to another.

[jumpinjan]

Sreiko,
You said that you have both Methuen & Pantone books. As an experiment, can you find a good match of a Pantone color to (let's say) Mauve 15D4? Do it and then give us a report on your results?
Thanks,
Jan

[Barker]

Originally Posted by Makhpiyaluta

For a Pantone color chart go to your local printshop and ask them to take over the older ones they don't use anymore. There replaced every year or so.
This reduces the costs.

Willem

Willem, Pantone books are replaced on a regular basis as the colors change with age. Such books no longer accurately reflect their original utility: accuracy. Most (quality) printers replace their Pantone books once a year.
As many of the inks used on their presses are Pantone inks, such on-going utility is manifest.

This applies to any other reference guide used where color accuracy is paramount.

Desktop printers and printing is wholly inadequate to the specific task of matching ALL Pantone ink colors (and reference), let alone cross-referencing to Methuen.

Matching color is literally an art as well as a science. The likelihood of doing so on a printer costing between $75 and $10,000 USD is remote.

I do not say this to be critical, but rather, to calibrate expectation, as converting Methuen to any other standard is far more than a casual investment of a week or two and a few cannisters of ink.

This is the very reason Standards and Practices and Institutions for this purpose exist. On-going business sustains them, but they are by no means a hobbyist's interest.

Specific to Methuen: What you see, instead, are any number of markets and industries sustained and standardized to their own needs, whether it is Federal Standard, the Paint Industry, Fine Art standards, the Printing industry or any other market that uses its own standard of calibration.

Cross-referencing is difficult, primarily due to
a) lack of need
b) lack of economy of scale

It doesn't make it any less frustrating for some of us, but it does make the challenge of converting Methuen daunting.

[Sreiko]

Pantone I have built in the Photoshop range of color. there is many of industrial colors inside. Methuen is the general purpose book and also I have it. And based on Methen here you are sample chip made in Photoshop.

Where is the problem- I have no scanner. So I have take some time to compare as best as possible this chip on monitor with the sample in book. If this is for model this will be very correct match. But if you need this for book or article better ask somebody who have preserved sample of original color to make scan.

[jumpinjan]

Barker,
I think you are way overly pessimistic about this effort.
Sreiko,
You can't do what you tried to do. You need printed material to compare.

[Sreiko]

For sure my English is damn worst It is made with compare with the chip inside book!!! So chip above is 15D4 as you wish. And important to note is that book is fourth edition. I tell this because there was info long time ago that every edition of the book does not present same chip identically.

[Sreiko]

Here it is the book in my hands with the pages with the chips... just made this image

[jumpinjan]

Sreiko,
You cannot match the Methuen color code 15D4 (printed), to a Pantone color in Photoshop (RGB). Matching printed material to an RGB image, on your computer monitor, does not work...Believe me, I have validated that fact myself.
I'll have to get a Pantone book and try this cross-reference experiment myself.

[Barker]

Here's what you certainly could achieve: A conversion limited to a small group of colors, say, German polygons, all types.

Sreiko: Photoshop also works in CMYK values.
Establish your baseline effort in what you are comfortable - RGB - and then do finesse for Final, in CMYK mode.
Once you become more comfortable in CMYK mode, you may want to work strictly in that.
You may already know this, but:

RGB is for monitors (most any type)

CMYK is for printers (most any four-color type, flat or process)

Additionally, Photoshop has a Pantone color specification "engine" available as does Illustrator for this purpose.
You can specify output colors right in the application.
If you already know this, don't mind me..


Calibrate your printer's output by trial and error to Methuen book and when you have a match, you have your booklet.

Colors in such a booklet will change, over time, particularly when exposed to UV rays (sunlight).
Temperature also has an effect but over a longer period of time and to a lesser degree than sunlight.
Direct sunlight can wreck a Pantone book worth hundreds of dollars in a matter of weeks, if not a few months.

If you can set an old one next to a newer one, try it yourself.
It's a bit....disturbing...