Other Fokkers flown by Noltenius?

[CWatson]

Is it known if Noltenius flew any other Fokker DVII marked with is red and white stripes other than the one that was written off after flying through the balloon debris ? While still with Jasta 27 or later with Jastas 6 or 11?

Osprey's Fokker DVII ptII shows a lineup of DVIIs on pg33 thought(confirmed?) to be from Jasta 59. The second aircraft from the camera has a similiar fuselage treatment to Noltenius' earlier DVII.

If these aircraft are from Jasta 59 what color were the radiator housings? The wheels look like they are painted a light color but not as light as the radiator housings.Would there be a standard horizantal tail color or would the have been in factory finish? On the above mention picture all but the second aircraft look like the rear fuselages are painted a light color.The profile of Boddien's plane shows camed wheels and most of the other details in white but was this standard for the jasta?

Thanks,CWatson

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Cwatson:
In regard to the photo on page 33, in "Fokker D.VII Aces in World War 1". I am dubious that this is a photo of Jasta 59 line-up.
1. In June 1918, Jasta 59 was based at Epinoy with Jasta 23b,32b and 35b as a component of Gruja 8, commanded by Oblt. Eduard Ritter von Schleich.
2. Jasta 59 did not receive any Fok.D.VII aircraft until the last week of September 1918 at which time they had received two, one machine going to Ltn.Hans Leben and the other to the Jastaführer, Oblt. Hans von Boddien.
3. On 27 September 1918, Ltn. Hans Leben was killed in a crash test flying his Fok.D.VII.
4. Oblt. Hans von Boddien had his Fok.D.VII painted with his personal markings, a black cat on a white band edged with narrow black bands. He previously had a Alb.D.Va 7352/17 with the same markings.
5. Abour 13 August 1918, Oblt. Hans von Boddien, Gruja 10 with component Jasta 1, Jasta 39 and Jasta 59 which Oblt. Han von Boddien continued to command in addition to his duties as Gruja 10.
6. On 27 September 1918, Oblt. von Boddien was wounded in combat and was able to return to the Jasta 59 airfield at Helesmes.
7. Oblt.von Boddien's Fok.D.VII was issued to Ltn.Oscar Scherf who flew it to the end of the war.
For markings of Oblt. Hans von Boddien's Fok.D.VII see FOKKER Anthology 3, page 16, photo J59 and profile 10, page 29.
8. The photo of the Fok.D.VII line-up on page 33, "Fok.D.VII Aces in World war 1" is as originally identified , is Jasta B. See Fokker D.VII Anthology 1,page 42, photo JB-10 and the photo JB-11 for confirmation.
Jasta 59 did not use any nose markings or color. The nose of the Fok.D.VIIF.
9. It is my opinion that the the rear of the fuselage was red and white stripes, and the rear fin half and tailplane were also red. While the photo on page 16 leaves much to be desired, the empennage is too light to be black.
I think I have answered your question.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[CWatson]

Thanks Dan_San!

I was hoping you would respond to the post. You did answer my questions about Jasta 59 but may I trouble you for a few other answers? Noltenius according to Fokker DVII Aces part I flew with Jasta 27 and later Jastas 6 and 11. Picture on page 82 of DVII Aces part I shows his early DVII,does it look like it is four color lozenge to you or overpainted? In the picture it looks like the bottom of the plane is in a solid color. Look at the leading edge of the lower wing and around the lower wing crosses,also see light colored edge running between landing gear struts.I see the color difference in the wing tapes of the upper wing but not the lower.Could this plane have been overpainted?

Is it known what type of later DVIIs he flew and their markings? Fokker DVII Aces part I states under the profile discriptions that he flew another DVII serial 5056/18,would that have been a Fokker built model? If he took it to Jasta 6 or 11 would the aircraft have had the nose repainted in squadron colors? I like the idea of the red and white stripes with a red nose but can find no evidance of it.

Thanks again,CWatson

[Rick]

I certainly can't speak to markings or colors, but Fokker D.VII 5056/18 would have been Fokker-built, from the batch of 100 numbered 5050-5149/18. R.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

CWatson:
Just a quick note, I'll get back to you about Noltenius's Fok.D.7(OAW) 2056/18 in regard to its covering and painting. The 5056/18 serial number was an error made in identification a long time ago. It is time it was corrected. Itis an early OAW built machine from OAW's first production order. With this order, OAW used the Arabic 7 in stead of the Roman VII. The identification data was painted in white on the fuselage side below the stabilizer. I am invovled in another project right now, I 'll respond later today or tomorrow.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[CWatson]

Thanks to both of you Dan_San and Rick.

Dan_San looking forward to your future reply.

Thanks again,CWatson

[Rick]

CWatson,

Heck, I didn't do anything, merely identified a batch of D.VII's that, as it turns out, have nothing whatsoever to do with Noltenius!! Now, Fokker D.VII 2056/18 would have come from the batch of 100 Fokker D.VII (OAW) 2050-2099/18. Sorry about that!! R.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

CWatson:
Noltenius flew Fok.D.7 (OAW)2056/18 while he was in Jasta 27. He flew through an exploding balloon with this this D.7. on 14 September 1918.
The next day he got another D.VII.
This machine was covered with four color fabric. Contrary to a drawing published in Cross and Cockade Vol.7 No.4 in side the rear cover, claimedthe fuselage was painted dark grey, the fuselage was printed four color fabric.
this is revealed in the white data painted on the center line under the leading edge of the stabilizer. I "think" the nose was painted yellow as most likely the tailplane. The wheel covers appear to be printed fabric. On the center section there were 4 red and 4 white alternating stripes, each 150 mm wide. the first stripe on the left as red. On the fuselage aft of the cockpit were four red and four white alternating stripes, each 100 mm wide. Theb first stripe aft of the cockpit was red. The upper wing crosses were 1300 x 300mm with right angle white borders 75 mm wide, centered on the tenth rib.
The lower wing crosses were 1100 x 200mm with a 40mm white borders. The fuselage was 600 x 100mm with 75 mm white border. The rudder cross was 600 x100 mm. The fin and rudder was painted flat white.
That all there is.
I think that Jack Hunter may have used Ltn. Friedrich Noltenius for the Bruno Stachel chacter in the "Blue Max". Noltenius must have been very difficult to deal with.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[CWatson]

Dan_San,

Thanks for the info.
That reminds me I will have to watch "The Blue Max".