Fokker D.VII Streaking - One Color or Two?

[RAGIII]

Originally Posted by EricGoedkoop

Dan, I think Langdon was opining against a color change from one type to the next.



OK, but that's rather apples to oranges, isn't it? We're talking about a hand-painted finish here, with the same pattern evident on both types and both types being built concurrently. I can see, as I mentioned earlier, where the availability of paint might have caused a change in the color used, but not when both types were being built at the same time.



Indeed. You'll never convince me that the Fokker streaking was one color only if all you've got is a 2" square scrap of fabric from a Dr.I and another scrap from a D.VII. The evidence does not preclude the possibility that both types were finished in a camouflage scheme that included at least these two colors, unless documentation of or a plausible explanation for the color change turns up. Dan, you've argued long and hard for the multi-colored streaking on the E.V/D.VIII wing, and part of your argument has been that the streaking was "standard Fokker pratice." If that's true, then why would "standard practice" suddenly change from single- to multi-color?

There are far too many unanswered questions here to make any definitive statements.

Eric, One of the most convincing pieces of evidence(to me) on the DVIII multi colored streaks was the existence of paper work calling for use of the different colors. The Drawings for DR1 wings in Dans possesion call for one color. That is pretty substantial Evidence,IMHO. As for the namesake of this thread the DVII, I can't argue, but you know I believe that also is one color(of streaks). Research by those far more learned than I has been accepted for a long tome. It will take far more than our speculation to change my mind on this. Again, JMHO,
RAGIII

[EricGoedkoop]

Originally Posted by RAGIII

Eric, One of the most convincing pieces of evidence(to me) on the DVIII multi colored streaks was the existence of paper work calling for use of the different colors. The Drawings for DR1 wings in Dans possesion call for one color.

The drawings that Dan has quoted call for blue, white, black and clear lacquer and and aniline powder of unspecified color. They also call for thinner, which could support the varying concentrations theory.

As for the namesake of this thread the DVII, I can't argue, but you know I believe that also is one color(of streaks). Research by those far more learned than I has been accepted for a long tome. It will take far more than our speculation to change my mind on this.

Quite so - but for 80-some-odd years we all thought the E.V/D.VIII wings were solid olive top and bottom.

I'm not entirely convinced the Dr.I/D.VII streaking was multi-colored, but I see as much circumstantial evidence to indicate that it was as there is that it wasn't. I just don't think we've seen anything yet that eliminates the possibility.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

EricGoedkoop:
There has been more information revealed about WW! aviation in all aspects in the last TEN YEARS than in the previous 77 years! This because there is more information has come to light because of the greater interest it getting it right. Check the accuracy of Cross and Cockade 1961 to 1981, then check the documentation thereafter. And today you have to document thoroughly if you expect to get it published. One quest evolves into another and that into another and so on! Ask Arron Weaver!
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[jumpinjan]

Dan has a very good point about what has been revealed in the past decade. I have learned more in the past 3-4 years, accessing the internet to include this forum & collecting information, than all the time spent researching when I first started building WWI flying scale models since 1962. This is the information age and information was hard to get in the '60s & '70s and so on.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

EricGoedkoop:
You are working on an opinion, you can believe whatever you wish, that is your perogative. The fact is the fabric samples from Georg von Hantelmann's Fok.D.VII 382/18 Flown by Ltn.Kurt Wusthof is lacquered with deep green streaking. And the numerous fabric samples from many Fok.Dr.I machines are streaked in olive brown.
I am sure that Fokker, like most manufactures place orders for all the materials, parts..etc and schedule them in when they will be needed. Maybe the paint/lacquer/dope manufacturer had a deal on green lacquer, who knows.
The fact is Fok.D.VII 382/18 was painted with deep green lacquer/paint.
Blue skies,
Dan-San