Richtofen's 102 /17 color scheme?

RAGIII · 29 October 2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RED BARON RETURNS

Taz,
Thanks For The Info On The 102/17 Now I Need To Build Another One With The Right Colors.it Be Safe To Say That I Could Paint It Like Tim West's 103/17 Voss Fokker And Paint The Cowl Red With Red Wheel Covers Too.
Later Days,
Jep
Red Baron

Be aware that Tim used a "Little" more Grey Natural linen color for his Tripe renedering! This came from a previous forum thread where we discussed "Nowarras" comments in the 1958 von Richthofen and his Flying Circus tome reference the "Grey" Courtrai Linen used on the Dr1. It was surmised that this might? lend itself to a more silver grey appearance. I think the artwork speaks for itself! The overall appearance is still CDL covered with Olive Brown streaks, but looks a lot closer to the Blue effect in B&W photos of the originals. Tim, I hope you don't mind my interjection of the origins of your finish

RAGIII

Tim West · 29 October 2005, 10:21 AM

Jep,

No problem using my representation of how 103 may have looked. I feel that 102 was painted in the same fashion.

I do not how ever feel that 102 had red cowling and wheel covers. As mentioned by Terry, who can prove you wrong?
Myself, when I do a texture, try to analyze the facts to the best of my abilities and draw my own conclusions.

Also much of what I do would not be possible without the many experts that visit this board. Don't you just love the "Drome" ?

Rag,
No problem, you brought up the thought and it does answer a few of questions concerning some of the color descriptions. Not sure if I have mentioned this but while working on an F-4 Phantom for another project, I came across a photo with a flight of F-4's. These were Navy jets so they were finished in a typical navy grey. What was interesting was that one of the planes was banking slightly, changing its angle to the sun and camera and the result was the plane looked light blue....no joke. The trailing plane had not banked yet and still looked grey....as it should.

As soon as I saw it, I related back to this very topic. I know this is not proof....but it does demonstrate that grey can look blue.....maybe even back in September 1917

buzz1941 · 29 October 2005, 10:31 AM

The reason modern warplanes use those gray shades today is that they pick up the color of the surrounding sky and blend in. A century of camouflage experimentation has brought us to the conclusion that a dull, medium, reflective hue works best under most conditions.

RED BARON RETURNS · 29 October 2005, 10:53 AM

Tim.
What I Will Do With My Fokker F1 102/17.I Will Make (1) extra Cowing And Set Of Wheels In The Red And The Other In The Orig Color Form.That Way I Have The Best Of Both (lol) And Not Have To Make Another Model Takes At Least 8 Weeks For Me To Get One Done Complete (If Time Permits) Now Rememember This Is Mahogany Wood And It Takes A Little Longer Then The Plastic Models Do.
This Fokker Will Be The First To Have A Inside Cockpit With Some After Market Parts. I Have Tested Building The Cockpit With Extra Mahogany And It Was Very Impressive Thank God For My Dremel Tools Or I Would Not Be Able To Do This.
Later Days,
Jep
Red Baron

Tim West · 29 October 2005, 11:26 AM

Jep,

Please share photos when your done!

karrart · 30 October 2005, 10:49 AM

As good a place as any to mention the new Over the Front with its nice big piece about 102/17 and 103/17 by Aaron Weaver and our own Terry Taz Phillips! There's a lot here to digest, a ton of much better versions of well known photos, shots new to me, stills from film, analysis etc. It's 28 pages of early triplane mania. Conclusions? Get the magazine and read on.
Robert Karr
www.karrart.com

RED BARON RETURNS · 30 October 2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim West

Jep,

Please share photos when your done!

I WILL POST THEM AS SOON AS IT'S DONE.I'M DOING A

WERNER VOSS ONE TOO.THAT SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE 102/17.I MIGHT TRY TO PAINT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME SINCE THE WEATHER IS GETTING COLDER.DO YOU KNOW WHERE I MIGHT FIND 1/18 ENGINE FOR THE FOKKER.IT'S TOO HARD TO TRY MAKE OUT OF MAHOGANY WITH ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS I WANT TO DO WITH IT.HERE'S A PIC MY FATHER SENT ME OF A 1/18 BUT DID NOT KNOW THE COMPANY THAT MADE IT.LET ME KNOW.
LATER DAYS,
JEP
RED BARON

RAGIII · 30 October 2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by karrart

As good a place as any to mention the new Over the Front with its nice big piece about 102/17 and 103/17 by Aaron Weaver and our own Terry Taz Phillips! There's a lot here to digest, a ton of much better versions of well known photos, shots new to me, stills from film, analysis etc. It's 28 pages of early triplane mania. Conclusions? Get the magazine and read on.
Robert Karr
www.karrart.com

Damn! I can't afford a subscription to OTF! If I could get a copy I would!! I wish someone would just "Spill the Beans" and tell those that aren't able to get the Mag the Results of this exhaustive study I keep hearing about!!!!!!
RAGIII

Dan_San_Abbott · 16 November 2005, 06:06 PM

Gentlemen:
The latest issue of "World War I Aero" No.190, has an article on the Fok.F.I machines and their finish by Achim Engels. A whole NEW viewpoint. Off the wall! We are debating the the cowling and wheel covers, he has F.I 103/17 yellow to the cockpit! Oh wellllll...
Blue skies,
Dan-San

RAGIII · 17 November 2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Gentlemen:
The latest issue of "World War I Aero" No.190, has an article on the Fok.F.I machines and their finish by Achim Engels. A whole NEW viewpoint. Off the wall! We are debating the the cowling and wheel covers, he has F.I 103/17 yellow to the cockpit! Oh wellllll...
Blue skies,
Dan-San

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... ................. !
RAGIII