Eduard von Schleich's Roland C-II

josef scott · 25 February 2006, 01:52 AM

It must have indeed been Sven selling the albums - note he lives in Stuttgart, as does the seller of the albums. What a shame he did not continue with his idea of publishing them. Absolutely stunning collection!

Well, this new info (to me anyway) narrows the possible dates of the photos from 11th May '16 (when Czermak rejoined the unit) to August 8 '16 (when von Schleich left). This jibes with the weather in the photos (late spring/summer) and the markings on the Rolands. Now if we could nail down when FFA 2b was at Villers les Cagnicourt. Could Reinhard have meant that they WERE THERE on August 28 '16 as opposed to that they MOVED THERE on this date?

Also, von Schleich's observer in the photos is labelled as "Vogeley". Any info on an aircrewman by this name in the unit during this time?

josef scott · 25 February 2006, 02:00 AM

Boy, am I silly. SvenM started the thread on the albums!

Soderbaum · 25 February 2006, 04:35 AM

Hi Josef

Oblt Cornelius Vogeley (O) did join FFA 2b "directly" from the Artillery on 9 Sep 15 and stayed until 26 Jun 16 with a short "break" for a week serving in KG Hoffmeister*...

*Lt dR Eduard Schleich companied Vogeley during the tour to Flanders...

Gunnar

25 February 2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by josef scott

Could Reinhard have meant that they WERE THERE on August 28 '16 as opposed to that they MOVED THERE on this date?

Hi Josef,

Yes, that is correct. We are still unsure of how much earlier they moved to this location though. There is a pretty good chance that Villers les Cagnicourt was indeed the location referenced in the photo album

regards,

Darren

josef scott · 25 February 2006, 03:56 PM

Hmmm...so if Czermak joined May 11 '16 and Vogeley left Jun 26 '16, that would put the date, at least for the two photos with Schleich and Vogeley, between these dates, no?

BTW
Darren,
Have you seen Ronny Barr's new interpretation of EvS's lion-motif early Alb DV on the World War I Modeling site? Very interesting.

25 February 2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josef scott

Hmmm...so if Czermak joined May 11 '16 and Vogeley left Jun 26 '16, that would put the date, at least for the two photos with Schleich and Vogeley, between these dates, no?

Hi Josef,

While what you say seems plausible, there is one other factor to throw into the mix. Maybe he inherited the pictures of Schleich and Vogeley?? I don't see Czermak in the photos. Still, one more piece of information that supports your supposition: Von Schleich received his Walfisch after his return from leave on May 1, 1916.

BTW, these photos have been published before (at least the ones that include von Schleich). There is nothing unique about them.

No, I haven't seen the model. Can you provide me the link?

regards,

Darren

josef scott · 26 February 2006, 01:07 AM

Yeah, it did occur to me that he may not have actually been in the unit when those pics were taken - I was considering the similarity in markings between his (Czermak's) Walfisch and EvS's. So similar in fact, and speaking of inheriting, that could they be the same machine? That Czermak flew it after EvS? How many Walfisch in this unit would have had that fish on the port wing? Was this a common modification?

Here is the link to Ronny Bar's Alb DV profiles - better than a model!
http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Bar...d-v/index.html

26 February 2006, 05:21 AM

Hi Josef,

I agree that it could be the same Roland. Maybe if we examine the photos for some unique blemish, or perhaps another modification besides the fish on the port wing, we can determine this.

Thanks for the link. I totally agree on the colors, as I read an account in Der Schwarze Ritter that the bottom of his airplane WAS painted light blue!

regards,

Darren

josef scott · 27 February 2006, 05:38 PM

Just goes to show about accepting conventional wisdom without a critical eye. When you look at the Jasta 21 lineup it seems SO obvious (the overpainting that is)!

Will have a close look at those CIIs...