Jasta 15 Underside

I am painting a Fokker DVII card model and can't confirm how the paint scheme is on the underside of Jasta 15. I know the wings and horizontal stab were 4 color lozenge. I think the nose was red and fuselage blue. Is this correct? If so where do the two meet? Near the center of the wing where the upper meeting is? Or at the leading edge of the wings??? So many questions! I should save a few???

[StephenLawson]

Which personal markings will tell us which machine.

My scheme is based on Fokker D.VII 4250-1399/18
Ltn Olivier von Beaulieu-Marconnay

[StephenLawson]

Not sure about the serial being right but if you mean the one where he is standing by the early Schwerin built Fokker D.VII with the "4D" then the red and blue were thought to wrap around the fuselage even covering the underside. The colour division for this machine is at the entry of the aileron cables into the fuselage sides.

In the popular image of this pilot we see him standing next to an early production Fokker D.VII was possibly inherited from Hauptmann R. Berthold but remarked with his personal insignia of his former cavalry unit "4D." This aircraft was probably in the markings of Jasta 15 with a red nose and medium blue tail unit. Since he became commander of Jasta 19 on 2 September 1918 it is quite possible that he took the machine he flew in Jasta 15 with him to his new command. But as a unit commander it is equally possible that he was allowed two machines. One as his “primary” the other as a “reserve.” Ltn. Olivier Frhr. von Beaulieu - Marconnay was severely wounded in action in the upper thigh by a Fokker from Jasta 74 over Gouzeaucourt on 18 October1918. He Died of his wounds on 26 October 1918 in the hospital at Avion.

My source was site by R.N. Pearson that listed Dan-San Abbott as his source. http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker-dvii.htm

I found another site claiming that the upper wing surfaces were blue and not lozenge. Underside of the wings would have lozenge rib tapes as it was built at Fokker factory. Any comment on the upper wing surfaces?

Thanks, this is very helpful.

[StephenLawson]

Originally Posted by Redwulf

My source was site by R.N. Pearson that listed Dan-San Abbott as his source. http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker-dvii.htm

I found another site claiming that the upper wing surfaces were blue and not lozenge. Underside of the wings would have lozenge rib tapes as it was built at Fokker factory. Any comment on the upper wing surfaces?

Thanks, this is very helpful.

Even Dan will tell you that Fokker didn't used lt. blue rib tapes. They were either clear doped linen strip tapes or lozenge strip tapes. Also the tapes were one piece wrapped around the whole wing rib profile.

[Romani]

Originally Posted by StephenLawson

Even Dan will tell you that Fokker didn't used lt. blue rib tapes. They were either clear doped linen strip tapes or lozenge strip tapes. Also the tapes were one piece wrapped around the whole wing rib profile.

Huh? Last time I asked this question I came away under the impression that Fokker used strips of lozenge pattern matching those of the surface, upper on upper and lower on lower. So are you saying I have to choose one or the other?

Sorry, I didn't ask my question right. I was referring to the entire upper wing surfaces. The photo I was basing off of showed the entire upper wing surface being lozenge patterned. But I found another sight claiming that this plane was entirely Prussian blue on the top. Entire wing and fuselage was blue.

I see that I didn't ask my question very well.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Gentlemen:
Fok.D.VII wings from Fokker(built by Perzina Piano-Forte.) were covered with lozenge printed fabric, most were covered with 4 color fabric some were covered with 5 color fabric. You would have to go by photographs. The rib tapes on the upper surface were cut from the dark pattern and the under surface rib tapes were were cut from the lower light patterned fabric.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

Thanks, this is all very very helpful.

I am still trying to confirm what color the tops of Olivier von Beaulieu-Marconnay's wings were. Were they lozenge or prussian blue?