True color of MVR Fokker Dr1 425/17

FliegerJG1 · 23 July 2006, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RED BARON RETURNS

You know guys this thread is really amazing all sorts of different options.
I think with all the things that have been said in this tread really should be written in a book. JP

Funny....I was thinking the same thing! Some of these threads would make great little books.

FliegerJG1

RAGIII · 23 July 2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FliegerJG1

Funny....I was thinking the same thing! Some of these threads would make great little books.

FliegerJG1

Red Baron Returns and flieger JG1,
Actually, all of the info we have quoted from is out there in exhisting reference books! The only real eye opener, should I believe it or not?, info was acers claim reference 477/17, or 486/17 or 521...... I am still unsure as to the validity of this claim no matter who some believe this poster to be.
RAGIII

FliegerJG1 · 24 July 2006, 05:33 AM

Hello RAGIII,

I agree, this is all in books somewhere. While the information may be in books and not particularly new it's the format of the discussion that makes it interesting.

FliegerJG1

RED BARON RETURNS · 24 July 2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FliegerJG1

Hello RAGIII,

I agree, this is all in books somewhere. While the information may be in books and not particularly new it's the format of the discussion that makes it interesting.

FliegerJG1

True,well said.........it makes me think does Acer know something we don't ?
Maybe he is saving it for a new book he'll be putting out soon.....

JP

Dan_San_Abbott · 24 July 2006, 12:22 PM

Gentlemen:
Probably the least accurate thing in books are the photo captions. Less time is spent on the captions. Some guess at what they think it might be, and in some cases, they guessed wrong. Miss-identification of aircraft, location and dates are the most common. In some cases the same photo is placed two places in the book with different captions.
No one, and I mean no one is perfect. Too often, it is opinion and not established fact, stated. I do my damnedest to stick to facts, and when I wonder into the grey area of less thean facts, I'll state it so, so the reader is not misled into believing it is fact.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

RAGIII · 24 July 2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Gentlemen:
Probably the least accurate thing in books are the photo captions. Less time is spent on the captions. Some guess at what they think it might be, and in some cases, they guessed wrong. Miss-identification of aircraft, location and dates are the most common. In some cases the same photo is placed two places in the book with different captions.
No one, and I mean no one is perfect. Too often, it is opinion and not established fact, stated. I do my damnedest to stick to facts, and when I wonder into the grey area of less thean facts, I'll state it so, so the reader is not misled into believing it is fact.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

Dan, Although I have to agree on the Broad side of your statement, I find it somewhat misleading reference this thread. I believe a LOT of research went into Alex Imries Fokker Triplane Book, as well as Leamanns( I sure wish I could remember how to spell his name)even in the captions of photos! These authors believed they interpreted the number under the wing as 2103 and 2112 respectively. What I find difficult to believe is that if acer donated and conversed with Imrie reference the controversial 477/17 picture, that Imrie would Identify the photo as he did? As I stated earlier I have some problems accepting anonymous "FACTS" . You do try to present what you consider as facts, and you at least provide more backup than I have seen re acer! Again I care not who is correct, I just ask for more than someones word after this has appeared in print, in threads, and God knows how many articles and models on the net! IMHO this does not alter 425/17 either way. Although you signed off acknowledging Langdons last post, you didn't answer my question reference the crosses on 425/17. I did answer your last question before I gave in to the dead thread theory. By the way Dan, how do you feel about acers statement that Greim picked up the photos when he picked up the triplane 521/17. Weren't these aircraft usually sent to AFP VII then distributed? Does it make sense to you? If so I guess I am WAY OFF on my mistrust :-)
Thanks,
RAGIII

acer · 25 July 2006, 12:21 AM

RAGIII-

for the time in question the Armee-Flugpark 2 in La Briquette was competent for Jasta 11 and Jasta 34.

acer

StephenLawson · 25 July 2006, 04:40 AM

Though the "true colour..." has evolved into the "true serial numbers..." there is a good deal of valuable information here for the devotee, enthusiast and research fiend. My two cents on the colour of 425/17 in modeling paints is Testors insignia red with a small amount of orange brown #1166 in about 8 to 2 ratio = Indian lake red. Thankfully not based on anything by R.G.see previous post on indian lake red

Dan_San_Abbott · 25 July 2006, 01:37 PM

RAGIII:
If you will go back and read my Post 222 on page 23 you will find were I have referenced "TFT", THE FOKKER TRIPLANE, by Alex Imrie as my source of information for that particular statement. I have no doubt whatsoever about Alex Imrie or Paul S.Leaman. They both put in a great amout of research to put their books together. What I am trying to get across to all of you that none of us are infallible, we are not gods? I know from my own personal experience in co-writing"Schlachtflieger!" with Rick Duiven. I am quite sure, that one or more of you will write to us or e-mail and challenge us about the book. There is a great deal of new information contained in this book, Rick and I have discussed this, and we will deal with it, at the time.
When "THE FOKKER TRIPLANE" was reviewed in WINDSOCK, I wrote to Ray Rimmel and challenged quite a few captions in "THE FOKKER TRIPLANE". One of which I recall was he got the serial number for Ltn.Lothar Frhr.von Richthofen's crashed Fokker DR.I from the celluloid covered spar acceptance box on the top surface of the upper wing. I am not to sure that, that is possible?? As I said, we all make mistakes, some times caused by assumptions not supported by facts.
Anyhow, go back and read post 222 on page 23 and you will see that everything that is stated is supported by Alex Imrie in "THE FOKKER TRIPLANE."
Blue skies,
Dan-San

Dave_Watts · 26 July 2006, 02:58 AM

Hi all,

I learned a great deal from this thread. One thing I discovered for myself was that there are three images of the all red Dr.I at Lechelle, and not two. This will be good to know when examining photos or negatives at UTD.

I'm sure everyone will settle down and have taken something away from this discussion of value.

It's not over yet. To quote one of my favorite lines, "The race goes on Juda!", which was preceded by a really good one of, "Look for them in the valley of the lepers...if you can still recognize them!"

Best,
Dave W.