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18 July 2006, 04:30 PM
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Forum Ace
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Four or Five colour lozenge?
I am researching the Canadian 'war prize' Fokker D VIIs brought to Canada in 1919.
One of many questions is: who manufactured which aircraft and what fabric pattern and detail colours were used.
At this time I am specifically interested in OAW built #8493.
Can anyone define whether this was a four or five colour lozenge covering? If so, how can you tell? Is it purely by serial number and manufacturer?
Many questions.
Thank you,
Maxim08
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18 July 2006, 08:52 PM
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This series is known to have many airframes in four and five colour. The patterns show up differently in good photographs. The hexes are shaped differently.
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19 July 2006, 03:02 AM
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Observer
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Whilst without seeing a photo of the particular aircraft it's difficult to be certain, aircraft produced by OAW from, presumably, the same or subsequent batch have fuselages covered in five colour fabric, so I'd say that five colour would be a reasonable assumption.
References: Fokker D.VII Anthology Pt 2, p.4, aircraft 8503/18 and 8520/18
Hope this helps,
Chris
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19 July 2006, 10:25 AM
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Here is what he is talking about.
e-bay image.
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19 July 2006, 12:21 PM
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Rest in Peace
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what is it covered with??
Gentlemen;
This Fokker D.VII was built by OAW, and is from two production orders of 350 Fok.D.VII(OAW) each, s/n D.6300 to 6649/18 or s/n D.8300 to 8649/18. The particular in the photo is covered with 4 color fabric. Batches in both orders were covered by 4 color fabric and other batches with 5 color fabric.
Blue skies,
Dan-San
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19 July 2006, 02:57 PM
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I have to admit that Dan has it. It is four colour for this airframe.
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19 July 2006, 07:43 PM
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Stephen and Dan-San,
Thank you for the feedback. Below is another D VII photo.
I believe that it may be the same aircraft. Any comments / opinion?
Regards,
Maxim08
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20 July 2006, 02:18 AM
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Now I see your confusion. 8492/18 was covered in five colour. (At the Lafayette Foundation we have the pilot's left side panel to 8492/18.)
Your image of airframe (8493/18) is the one A. McKeever was photographed with. The machine in the other photo is not likely to be the one here with the maple leaf. The side panel lozenge repeats on the camouflage do not seem to line up the the first image.
Here is our section of 8492/18.
Last edited by StephenLawson; 20 July 2006 at 10:43 PM.
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20 July 2006, 03:51 PM
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Rest in Peace
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Fok.D.VII(OAW) 8493/18
Maxim08:
It too is covered with 4 color fabric. pick a lozenge and count the lozenges until it is repeated.
Blue skies,
Dan-San
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11 August 2006, 02:24 PM
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I may be asking too much but I could certainly use the help.
Below are the known serial numbers for Fokker D VIIs shipped to Canada.
6769
6810 - Knowlton
6822
6832 - burnt 1925
6833
6842 - airframe dismembered sometime early 1930s
6846
8413
8474
8488
8492
8493 - displayed mid 1920, disassembled
8502 - burnt 1921
8526
8583
Some records indicate that 20 D VIIs came to Canada but, if so, there is no shipping, receipt or disposal reference to them that I have found.
Can either of you provide any additional information pertinent to this thread namely, manufacturer and 4 or 5 colour lozenge?
Thank you,
Maxim08
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