Colorscheme first interned DVII by the Dutch

Kitboy · 22 September 2006, 12:00 AM

On the 15th of oktober 1918 an Albatros built Fokker DVII (5584/18) made an emergency landing at IJzendijke. After this it was interned by the LVA an registered as F227.

I am looking for pictures or/and a colorscheme of this particular DVII. Anyone got it for me?

greetings, Nico Teunissen

Kitboy · 23 September 2006, 01:34 AM

Well,

Also asked some experts here in Holland. Sadly enough no further data available

Nico

StephenLawson · 24 September 2006, 03:22 AM

See the Fokker D.7 website

The first source of D.VII's for the LVA, came from internments of aircraft that landed on Dutch soil. The first one (D.5584/18) made a forced landing near IJzendijke, and was probably put into service as the 'F.227' (The interned aircraft received a letter which designated the manufacturer, followed by a number). How, when and where it was used is not known. On 13 november 1918, after the Armistice, five D.VII's landed near Stein. In some literature it is stated that two of these were put into service as the 'F.228' and 'F.229', but this is not true. These D.VII's were not used at all, but where stored in a hangar at Schiphol together with other interned aircraft. Somewhere in the 1920's they all were scrapped.

The D.VII's for the LVA were delivered during may/june 1920. Ten of these had the Mercedes D.III, and ten had the BMW IIIa engine. They received the registrations '250' to '269'. In 1921, the LVA (re)build a D.VII with parts of the crashed '255' and '267'. This became the '270'. In 1926 the '271' was build in the same way. The D.VII' stayed in service with the LVA until 1938.
Although the D.VII was extensively used by the LVA, and a lot of chrashes happened, there was only one fatal accident. This happened when Lt. Elout fell out of the '271' during a looping.

During World War 1, a number of aircraft from the fighting countries, made landings in The Netherlands. When intact, they were put into service by the Dutch, as it was very difficult to obtain new aircraft. Among these interned aircraft were six D.VII's, of which three were used by the LVA (LuchtVaartAfdeling, Army Air Service). After the war, the Dutch armed forces were in desperate need for new aircraft. There was a design made by the 'N.V. Nederlandsche Automobielfabriek Trompenburg', a Dutch car manufacturer, the V.3. This was a biplane with a 130hp Clerget rotary engine, of which 78 were ordered. But, Trompenburg had problems with building the aircraft, and the design was already obsolete when the prototype flew in the summer of 1919. At the same time, Fokker was returning to Holland, bringing along hundreds of modern aircraft. Among these were a lot of D.VII's. He heard from the problems with Trompenburg, and came in contact with Henri Wijnmalen, the manager of Trompenburg. They agreed that Fokker would deliver D.VII's in place of the V.3's. After all, 20 were delivered to the LVA, 20 to the MLD (Marine Luchtvaart Dienst, Navy Air Service), and six to the LA-KNIL (Luchtvaart Afdeling van het Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger, Army Air Service of the Dutch East Indies, nowadays Indonesia). Besides the military ones, there also have been some civilian D.VII's in The Netherlands.

I hope this helps. For more see Cross & Cockade USA issues Vol. 22 (?) There are some images there I check for more exact location and get back to you. On Mr. Vossers site there are many images of the Dutch D.VII purchase post war.

Mark II · 24 September 2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenLawson

[COLOR="DarkRed"]See the Fokker D.7 website

There was a design made by the 'N.V. Nederlandsche Automobielfabriek Trompenburg', a Dutch car manufacturer, the V.3. This was a biplane with a 130hp Clerget rotary engine, of which 78 were ordered.

Other sources said 98 V3s were ordered (72 LVA and 26 MLD).

StephenLawson · 1 October 2006, 02:22 AM

Excellent first post Mark II

Taz · 3 October 2006, 07:55 AM

Stephen- Great insight and welcome to the Forum, Mark. One thing I found fascinating about the Dutch internment of aircraft and airmen was that, in most cases, the Dutch paid for the aircraft they had interned before they used them. This may have been to protect their neutrality and not give anyone an excuse to invade and recover their property.

We all know how well neutrality worked on May 10, 1940. Only Switzerland and Sweden have been able to make neutrality work in the 20th and 21st Centuries.

Taz
Terry Phillips