Q: On Udet's DR-1 ...

baldeagle · 30 January 2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RAGIII

It is not uncommon to see white markings such as crosses that differ from white personal markings in tone on these photos.
RAGIII

In the front of the Albatros Aces book, the D.Va with the blue and white diamond tail (don't have it handy, but I think it's Boning's?), the white diamonds look very different from the white around the cross. Or maybe they aren't white......

Also, again don't have it handy, but doesn't the white in Holtzem's (sp?) comet on his Pfalz look decidedly un-white?

papermache · 30 January 2007, 10:29 PM

I think thatSouthside Bucky had it right when he talked about Udet liking what he saw in this aircraft. He must have - he duplicated the wing when he got a D-VII. Black and white or red and white, he duplicated the striped mode, so he must have liked it.

Or is somebody going to try to tell us that "Du Doch Nicht" was red and blue as well?

papermache

josef scott · 31 January 2007, 08:48 AM

Papermache,

Now THERE'S a theory I haven't seen yet! DDN!! as blue and red. Why not?

I had never come across this idea of 586/17 being blue and red. Intriguing. Certainly a garish combination. Actually, going with the "optical illusion" idea, the juxtaposition of red and blue would add to it immensely. Difficult to focus one's eyes on both at the same time.

However, it would have taken a devil of a lot of red paint to cover the black properly. The groundcrew would have been cursing him roundly.

Is there more than one photo of this aircraft when Kirschstein was using it? I've only seen the starboard-side one in the Osprey books, which is hardly a clear shot. I can't make out any fuselage streaking on it either, not to say that it isn't there. Really, none of the pictures I've seen of this triplane are very clear. Unless the lighting is very good, it's hard to make out the forward streaking on many DrI photos.

womenfly2 · 31 January 2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by papermache

I think that Southside Bucky had it right when he talked about Udet liking what he saw in this aircraft. He must have - he duplicated the wing when he got a D-VII. Black and white or red and white, he duplicated the striped mode, so he must have liked it.

Or is somebody going to try to tell us that "Du Doch Nicht" was red and blue as well?

papermache

...on Udet's "Lo" D.VIIF, was not the top wing painted in White and Fokker Dark Green stripes ? ? ? ?

Link: Memorail Flight Museums Udet's D.VIIF click on Fokker DVII

Sorry, not intending to stir up another debate here.

WF2

josef scott · 31 January 2007, 09:32 PM

womenfly2

You certainly are stirring things up.

Memorial flight were definitely going against the "accepted" scheme for that plane when they used this scheme. Almost always thought of as red and white. Good for them. Hot (as in "under the collar") topic. See thread:

Udet's "DDN!!" Color Scheme Vote

womenfly2 · 1 February 2007, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by josef scott

womenfly2

You certainly are stirring things up.

Memorial flight were definitely going against the "accepted" scheme for that plane when they used this scheme. Almost always thought of as red and white. Good for them. Hot (as in "under the collar") topic. See thread:

Udet's "DDN!!" Color Scheme Vote

... thanks, should have known! WF2

papermache · 2 February 2007, 12:13 AM

WF2,
Someday somebody is going to invent Mr. Peabody's "Way-back Machine" for real and we'll be able to see for ourselves what the real colors on these aircraft were. Until then, all we have is these forums where we can share opinions. Some of our opinions are more knowledgeable and more studied than others', but they're all still opinions and we all know what opinions are like.
Thanks for giving us another opportunity to argue.

papermache

berman · 2 February 2007, 08:18 AM

Do we know for sure if Kirschstein's triplane had black and white stripes? I can buy the argument that the weathered white appears darker than the newly painted crosses. However, what about DSA statement that the painted "LO" is darker in the photos that the stripes. Red cannot appear darker than black. Right or can it? Is possible that Kirschstein's aircraft was painted red and white and that Udet simply painted the "LO" in black. I agree that it would be very difficult to repaint black stripes red. Also one must consider the added weight of a third complete paint job and its effect on performance. Factory finish,repaint by Kirschstein, and possible repaint by Udet. How much weight would a repaint add to a triplane? Performance difference?

Punish · 2 February 2007, 09:38 AM

Hi Womenfly2, I just stumbled onto this site, it's a beautiful forum whoever made it. Props to you all.

Womenfly2 here is some models of Udet's aircraft and his Triplane is also there. Hope this helps you with colors?

http://wwi.priswell.com/german/fokker/index.htm#fokdr

womenfly2 · 2 February 2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Punish

Hi Womenfly2, I just stumbled onto this site, it's a beautiful forum whoever made it. Props to you all.

Womenfly2 here is some models of Udet's aircraft and his Triplane is also there. Hope this helps you with colors?

http://wwi.priswell.com/german/fokker/index.htm#fokdr

Wow..... sure gives a whole new perspective on the colors and look of the aircraft.

First, I would think the red being darker and the blue very light. As stated elsewhere in this post, it would be a fantastic study for someone to photograph the red and light blue with the same film used and do a comparison to existing photographs of the aircraft for tonal differences.

Cool stuff here! Thanks for the pictures Punish, very much appreciated.

And a BIG thank you to Taz also ... they were great!

WF2