Aircraft and camoflauge of famous aces

hi

Can anyone tell me what aircraft and what colours/camoflauge Ernst Udet and Georges Guynemer had when they fought each other in 1917? Also what about Lothar von Richthofen and Arthur Ball when they fought each other? thanks

[TomVrille]

I assume you are referring to Albert Ball's last flight, which led to a much disputed victory claim for LvR. At that time, Ball was flying an S.E.5 in standard 56 Squadron colors and markings.

[Taz]

Belle- If you look at Russ Smith's Gallery section, he shows Udet and Guynemer in action, which he painted after carefully researching the markings. As good as it probably gets.

Taz
Terry Phillips

thanks guys.
TomVrille--Do you know if Ball was flying an S.E.5 or the improved S.E.5a?

[TomVrille]

Originally Posted by belle

TomVrille--Do you know if Ball was flying an S.E.5 or the improved S.E.5a?

Hi belle..

It was an S.E.5. The engine had not been upgraded to S.E.5a standard.

Im now convinced that Lothar von Richthofen was flying an Albatros D.III, although i still have no idea what camoflauge or markings his plane had

[jastaflieger]

interesting that i should find this thread, i was reading Cecil Lewis's Sagittarius Rising last evening and read lewis's account of that fateful final flight: my edition is the Folio , London, 1998 and on page 123 Lewis writes of seeing Ball's red-nosed Se5 flying intoa large cloudbank: i do not believe that lewis would imagine the red-nose, therefore the question becomes how much of his Se5 was painted red!
In his Air Aces of 1914-1918 Robertson ( Harleyford series) states that LvR's Albatros had a completely yellow tail, and i would imagine the usual red nosed of Jasta 11.
Does anyone have more information on Ball's Se5?