Windsock "Lozenge" descriptions

MicroSculpt · 8 May 2007, 09:57 AM

Greetings!

Does anyone know who developed the written decriptions of German printed hexagon camouflage colors used in the Windsock publications? Anyone know what samples they were based on?

Thanks!

Tom

Dan_San_Abbott · 8 May 2007, 12:23 PM

Microsculpt:
I think that would be interesting! I suspect Peter Gray.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

StephenLawson · 8 May 2007, 05:50 PM

Ray began by using Ian Huntley's findings. There has been some input from Mr. Gray's files.

MicroSculpt · 11 May 2007, 08:22 AM

Thanks for the info. Since those descriptions are widely used as the criteria to judge lozenge colors I was just curious of the source. However, the verbal descriptions do leave a wide latitude for interpretation ...

Cheers!

Tom

11 May 2007, 01:38 PM

history of "losenge"

I hope there is something in for you.

ZAK

FOKKERJ · 11 May 2007, 08:35 PM

Hi Micro Sculpt, I agree with you, the verbal desriptions do leave a wide latitude of interpretation. I painted my first "Lozenge" covered Fokker D. VII during 1969, from the written description in the PROFILE #??. To this day it is still my favorite plane. It also looks nothing like any of the current decals or information evolved in the almost past 40 years. It still looks better than some decal representations I've collected. THANKS,

FOKKERJ

P.S. Thank you ZAK, for the education!

Patrick · 11 May 2007, 10:09 PM

Quote:

A publication is planned about the whole Flugzeugstoff story, but information about the research in the earlier days is hardly to find.

ZAK, do you have any further information about when this book will be published?

Also, Robert Mikesh authored a book about the NASM Albatros restoration. It contains a dimensioned drawing of the five color pattern "similar to Canberra pattern, Researched From Fokker D.VII 3659". I assume you've seen this -- what do you think of the accuracy of this drawing? Did Mikesh get the shape and dimensional information correct, or was his sample distorted?

StephenLawson · 12 May 2007, 02:33 AM

Those lozenge drawings were probably done by an Austrailian historian Bob Waugh if memory serves. From when AWM recoverd their Albatros D.Va Albatros D.Va D.5390/17

12 May 2007, 05:26 AM

From the Albatros D Va book by Robert Mikesh:

Researched from Fok. D VII 3659,
German Lozenge Camouflage Pattern.

Colors: R.W. Bradford, NAC, Ottawa
Pattern: A.J. Shortt, NAC, Ottawa
Drawing: R.C. Mikesh, NASM, Washington

(The pattern is distorted when compared to original fabric.)

ZAK

Maxim08 · 12 May 2007, 03:23 PM

Regarding the NASM / CAM fabric, Mikesh's drawing is not identical to Fred Shortt's original dated April 24, 1975. Note that the fabric sample was from wing #2071 which is the upper wing on Ottawa's Fokker. There is also a descrepancy in the Munsell code between Bob Bradford's investigations and what is annotated on Mikesh's drawing. This may not amount to a hill of beans in that the CAM decided long ago not to use any of their fabric for the restoration. I have a few yards of the upper fabric that may be all that remains after the bulk was used for drop sheets and shop rags.
Regards,
John