Fokker EV/DVIII wing colors

[Brown Baron]

You are correct, the photo is credited to PM Grosz. By the way, I meant no insult in saying I'd have to take your word on it. I only meant that not being able to see the original I take you at your word. I must say though that an EV all done up in printed fabric must have looked a bit like a guy in a plaid leisure suit (circa 1970's ).

BrownBaron,

would like to see when this guy is doped. Was he?

To be honest, the influence of dope and its yellowing is underestimated so often to photography. Have a look at the fuselage sides of the Fok. E.V images: in some parts the pattern is nearly unvisible to orthochromatic filmmaterial.

ZAK

[greenknight]

This photo was in one of the earlier threads (maybe via a link) on the Fokker E.V. I believe that the image was taken from an EBay auction advertisement.

This and other photos of this airplane, identified as being assigned to Karl Scharon of MFJ2, show the banding as convincingly as any I've seen.

ZAK, interesting point about the yellowing and obscuring effects of doping. With so many photos of the E.V, the gloss of the wing varnish, and the shallowness of the viewing angle have (at least for me) obscured the visibility of the wing finish. Do you think that yellowing of the final finish of the wing (spar varnish?) was also a factor?

I've seen advertisments from the 1920's where Fokker endorses Valentine Val-Spar varnish as his finish of choice on his commercial airplanes. Would he have been using a wartime equivalent on his plywood covered wings?

[jtisch]

Greenknight,
That is a good photo. The photo I think shows off the banding best is the one I can't find anymore. It has EV wings stacked on the ground (just delivered?).Anyone know where I saw that?
TIA,
J

greenknight,

how the dope was applied (thickness, direction etc.) was of great impact to photography. The cheaper the brand (for instance Cellit Z ) the quicker the yellowing. It is most responsible for seeing different bandings (I do not mean the streaking due to allocation of pigment). Bandings are also seen on the fabric covered Fok. E.V wing.

I am not sure, that Anthony Fokker used a high glossy spar varnish for the Fok. E.V wing, when camouflage was important. As he announced later, he used a special impregnation for the whole wing of the Fok. D.VIII. It makes no sence to apply it only inside the wing. The question was, how to avoid water intrusing the wing, as it was with the Fok. E.V

ZAK

PS The aircraft shown is not a Marine Fok. E.V

[Lyle]

Originally Posted by ZAK

I am not sure, that Anthony Fokker used a high glossy spar varnish for the Fok. E.V wing, when camouflage was important. As he announced later, he used a special impregnation for the whole wing of the Fok. D.VIII. It makes no sence to apply it only inside the wing. The question was, how to avoid water intrusing the wing, as it was with the Fok. E.V

ZAK,
All photos of E.Vs show a high level of gloss in wing finish due to the finishing coat of varnish. This can't be denied, it's seen in most photos of the Windsock Datafile where you can see the undersurface.

PS The aircraft shown is not a Marine Fok. E.V

I am curious how you came to that conclusion. Dan-San Abbott has provided the identification of this particular E.V which Greenknight has stated precisely.

Lyle,

can`t see that with Fok. E.V 132/18, pg. 6, bottom, or pg. 10 Fok. E.V 158/18 with Osterkam sitting on the wheel. Such a smooth plywood piece like the Fok. E.V wing should have had another appearance with a high glossy spar varnish. No more gloss as at the doped fuselage sides. And for the underside please take into account, that the wings were at no degree transluscent and reflected all the light, so curiously they appeared more glossy than the upperside. As said before, I am not sure, but I wonder, how the huge plywood fuselage of the Hannoveraner CL.III was painted without the gloss of spar varnish.

BLV 1918, II, e:
Stark glänzende Lacke sind für die Seitenflächen des Rumpfes der Frontflugzeuge verboten.

What are you thinking about the impregnation of the Fok. D. VIII wing, Anthony Fokker was talking about?

As for Dan-San and the Marine identification: yes, there is another conclusion from other information. The fate of the Marine Fok. E.V

ZAK