Linen color for Voss F.I?

[davecww1]

OK, finally started to paint my Voss Fokker F.1 today, but don't think my base cdl color looks right for this. I'm trying to go with a greyish linen color to give me a "silver-grey" color as McCudden called it. The attached photo shows 2 different mixes, the upper wing is Model Master Radome Tan mixed with a little Russian Fulcrum grey. I thought this still looked too tan, so I mixed up a batch of fulcrum grey with just a little radome tan, and got the color of the tailplane below. Looks too dark to me, any ideas on a good mix, or does this look good?
let me know what you all think.
Thanks,
Dave

[davecww1]

Well the flash is making the wing look too light in my photo. the gray looks about the same as in the photo above.
Dave

[jumpinjan]

You want beige, not gray.

[Taz]

Dave, Jan- Affirmative on the beige for unbleached, calendared linen. Chasing one report on color will mislead you big-time, especially if the quote is off. Remember on 23 September 1917, McCudden was not the hugely experienced ace he became later, with only 13 of his eventual victories, seven of which were destroyed. The light glinting off the light blue undersurfaces of the F.I, frequently the highest aircraft in the engagement, could certainly look "silvery blue", the actual quote by McCudden.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[RAGIII]

Originally Posted by Taz

Dave, Jan- Affirmative on the beige for unbleached, calendared linen. Chasing one report on color will mislead you big-time, especially if the quote is off. Remember on 23 September 1917, McCudden was not the hugely experienced ace he became later, with only 13 of his eventual victories, seven of which were destroyed. The light glinting off the light blue undersurfaces of the F.I, frequently the highest aircraft in the engagement, could certainly look "silvery blue", the actual quote by McCudden.

Taz
Terry Phillips

Taz, McCudden was hardly a neophite even though his victory log wasn't as large as it would get! Remember he had a tour in DH2s in 1916 before going to 56 squadron in 1917. That being said the "Grey Linen" quote has been mentioned in previous threads( by me) as coming from H.J.Nowarra. He mentions the "Grey" Courtrai linen used on the DR1. I have NO Clue as to the provenance of this info but always thought it might be a part of the solution to the Voss color question... or not!
RAGIII

[davecww1]

Exactly! I agree with RAGIII that the linen used on the F.1 may have been the gray linen, maybe this would have been somewhat how it looked. I know that the majority of the CDL was a beige color (radome tan is a good match for this) but I think that for this aircraft the gray linen may be correct! That would account for some of the color descriptions of this aircraft. If no one else agrees with me I will go back with my first mix. Anyway after the olive streaks are applied I think it will look good!
Dave

[Taz]

Rick- McCudden was certainly no neophyte, but he was just beginning his heavy scoring before he became the killing machine of late 1917 and 1918. If he had been German or French, he would have had 7 victories on 23 September 1917. Sort of in the same boat as when Udet met Guynemer and got his rear end kicked.

Dave- Does this look like gray linen to you? Do not understand why people have to keep making things up on these two aircraft when all the photographic evidence says F.I 102/17 and F.I 103/17 were painted just like contemporary AEG(Fok) C.IVs and Fokker D.IVs and D.Vs and the color scheme looked generally lighter, not darker, than a Dr.I. Gray linen would make them look darker, not lighter. There is no evidence for light blue overpaint, gray linen or any other speculative color scheme on these two aircraft. They were painted just like a couple of hundred other aircraft painted by the Fokker paint shop in the spring and early summer of 1917 and used the same fabric as the V.4, WN 1661 and V.5/F.I 101/17, WN 1697.

Taz
Terry Phillips

This is an image of F.I 101/17, WN 1697 before it was painted.

1020V3V4 Detail.jpg

[josef scott]

Didn't the idea for a grey-ish linen come, at least partially, from Timm's "erdgrau" description?

[davecww1]

OK, that photo may have me convinced, I will definately go lighter, and more of an ivory shade than grey. Maybe khaki would be a good start. I still think that the Polly Scale CDL is too yellow, is good for British CDL but should be lighter & grayer for the Fokker...
Dave

[Taz]

josef- Timm actually said the aircraft was painted erdgrau (earth gray) on top.

Taz
Terry Phillips