Voss triplane

[tcrean7828]

Mates,

Thanks for the Voss info. I feel like it is Christmas with the wealth of data as of late and if I would just get a few questions answered about the Voss brothers (TAZ) I would be extreamely gratefull.

Keep it comming folks - I am loving every moment of it.

What happened to the 2 pieces of the wreckage removed that were photographed? were they discarded or where they put somewhere? are they in someones collection?

cul

tcrean7828

tom

P.S. thanks Alex, for getting the ball rolling on this one.

[Taz]

Tom- I sent you an e-mail on the Voss brothers flying only children's kites, did you not receive it?

Stephen- It turns out the magic formula on the F.I paint jobs was not discovered until Peter Grosz poked me in the eye and told me the "modified V.4" with F.I/Dr.I features was actually V.5, WN 1697, later F.I 101/17. The only V.4 completed, WN 1661, was shipped to A-H with most V.4 features still intact and arrived in A-H on 3 August 1917. V.5 WN 1697/F.I 101/17 and F.I 102/17 and 103/17 were, as Dan-San Abbott noted and I should have figured out earlier, covered in bleached fabric instead of the unbleached fabric used on the Dr.Is. Hence the lighter looking paint jobs. No light blue undercoat on top surfaces was used as previously speculated. This all matches perfectly with the PRO/National Archive report. Three colors were used in the streaking, olive green, brown, and gray/black. This is confirmed by samples examined at the IWM of Dr.I 144/17.

Taz
Terry phillips

[Sreiko]

In first time German used bletched fabric but later was discarded in a reason poor mechanical properties. So pale cream almost ivory should be match for the bleatched fabric.

Taz- BASF patented dope for protection of fabric and there was few hues of this protective coat. One of them was light blue... of course this is transparent light blue. Is there any option that this dope was possibly used? This is just question- I have trully accpeted all what you have written in this way and I higly recomend to everyone your article about painting and finishig of the early production Fi triplanes.

[Taz]

Sreiko- Alan Toelle's examination of actual Dr.I fabric samples showed tinted light blue dope on Dr.I wing bottoms, but clear dope on the fuselage and wing top surfaces. Whether this was also true on the F.Is would be speculation, since we have no actual fabric samples. The unknown for the F.Is and Dr.Is would be whether the bottom wing cross fields were CDL or light blue tinted dope. The rest of the bottom wing surfaces would have been covered by the opaque light blue paint. We need to look at a bottom wing cross field to be sure on the Dr.I, and that will probably be as close as we get on an F.I.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Tim West]

Maybe they used the light blue tinted dope to save a coat of paint for the over all coverage off the bottoms??

[StephenLawson]

Curiouser and curiouser! I had a few of Pete Grosz' finger pokes in the eye myself. Amazing how it refocused my thinking.

Sreiko actually bleached linen was almost white. Like on the early Pfalz E.I types.

[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by Taz

Tom- I sent you an e-mail on the Voss brothers flying only children's kites, did you not receive it?

Stephen- It turns out the magic formula on the F.I paint jobs was not discovered until Peter Grosz poked me in the eye and told me the "modified V.4" with F.I/Dr.I features was actually V.5, WN 1697, later F.I 101/17. The only V.4 completed, WN 1661, was shipped to A-H with most V.4 features still intact and arrived in A-H on 3 August 1917. V.5 WN 1697/F.I 101/17 and F.I 102/17 and 103/17 were, as Dan-San Abbott noted and I should have figured out earlier, covered in bleached fabric instead of the unbleached fabric used on the Dr.Is. Hence the lighter looking paint jobs. No light blue undercoat on top surfaces was used as previously speculated. This all matches perfectly with the PRO/National Archive report. Three colors were used in the streaking, olive green, brown, and gray/black. This is confirmed by samples examined at the IWM of Dr.I 144/17.

Taz
Terry phillips

Taz,
Have not received anything from you via email or other means other than an email that said "later", concerning the questions that I had asked. I believe there were 6 or so, that I pm'ed you about.

I addressed two seperate emails about a months apart, as I can understand you being extremely busy with ZAK on your project and did not want to encroch on your time by asking for clearification on your remarks on another thread concerning the Voss brothers.

I most probably missunderstud your info in the threads, as both being in the GAF, survived the both wars and were fliers. Up to this date, I not found any info to that effect and so I sent two pm with questions that I had, for perhaps a clearification.

cul

tcrean7828

tom

[Sreiko]

Taz- thank you very much

Stephen- yes it is true that it look almost white but when new. But during the time it become soft cream something like ebony. But.... if we put white piece on fabric outside for some time it will also become similar darker hue due to the dust and dirt. Wethering

[alex_revell]

Thanks Scott.

[WarrenD]

Originally Posted by Sreiko

I higly recomend to everyone your article about painting and finishig of the early production Fi triplanes.

OK, help out a dullard: can someone point out to me where I can find this "article"? (I am assuming it is an article, and not a thread here?)

TIA!

Warren